Legal to Start legal to finish??

[Texx]

Wrong Art. You can fly more than 8 hours in a day(24 hour period). .

A "day" and a "24 hr period" are different.

 

[urflyingme?!]

If at the start of a flight segment you are going to exceed 30/7, you're going back to the gate

 

[Flyin2low]

Wrong!

 

[chperplt]

If at the start of a flight segment you are going to exceed 30/7, you're going back to the gate

IF by flight segment you mean the 1st flight of the day, then you would be correct. If you mean leg 3 of 4, then you'll be going to see your CP for refusing a legal assignment.

 

[SiuDude]

You are begining this trip with the last three days off. Your duty time is 1200 local. You start your trip and fly 6 hours and duty off at 2200 local. You are normal rest of 9 hours. You duty back in at 0700. You fly 4 hours and duty off at 1200 local again. It has been 24 hours since you started your assignment and you have flown 10 hours. If you look back on the 24 however, you have the required rest (9 normal or 8 reduced) in that 24 hours. If you had been reduced to 8, then your compensatory rest would be 10 hours, to begin within 24 hours of when your started the reduced rest (2200 local in this case).

Not quite true. If you are scheduled for more than 9 hours of flight time in a 24 hour period, your required rest becomes 11 hours which can be reduced to 9 hours. The next day, your compensatory rest should be at least 12 hours.

 

[Beanie]

Not quite true. If you are scheduled for more than 9 hours of flight time in a 24 hour period, your required rest becomes 11 hours which can be reduced to 9 hours. The next day, your compensatory rest should be at least 12 hours.

You are correct. It was an example and didn't think it all the way through. Thanks.

Texx: Interpret it how you want. Just know what the requirements are, and the requirment is not 8 hours a day.

 

[shelton]

It should be noted that legal to start legal to finish is not the case during all circumstances. I think the FARs talk about weather, atc delays, etc. In other words, things outside the company's control. For instance, ASA back in August had us sitting on the ramp sometimes well over an hour due to lack of rampers. This is so well within the companies control it is not even funny. So, in that case, you could very well be violated. There are some interpretations on the FAAs website that discuss this.

This should be the link to the interpretation search:
http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org.../agc/pol_adjudication/agc200/interpretations/

 

[ehoulli]

So 30 in 7 is an actual limitation...??? I haven't been too close, maybe 28 hrs or so. I have a buddy that had 6 days ending up being scheduled at 29:51 and he wasn't sure if his last turn would go over block. I couldn't tell him for sure if 30/7 is scheduled or actual.

So if you have an inkling that you're going to go over block and 30/7 is an actual flight time limitation, what recourse do you have? What if you make it to the outstation and then you determine that you'll go over block on the return leg, and it's day 6 of 6. Two nights in a hotel sounds not fun for sure! What a day to spend your day "off".

 

[SSDD]

It is NOT an actual limitation. If at the begining of the day you're scheduled for 29:51 and don't get reflowed you would he would be legal to do that last turn, even if it takes you over 30 hours. As long as your duty day doesn't exceed 16 hours.

 

[DoinTime]

and they protect the company from A-Holes that intentionally over block to try to get out of work.

They only protect the company from dumb a-holes who don't know that they need to overblock the day prior to the day they want to get removed from.