Legal to start legal to finish?

[Simon Says]

Question..

Started a 4 day trip.

Day one..scheduled for 5.5 hours. I had to do an air return which added 3 extra hours for the day. Total flying for that day was 8.7 hours.

Day two,

I will have 12 hours of rest. Blocked in the night before at 7:45pm and my show time is 8:35am. I am scheduled to fly 7.5 hours today and am scheduled to be off at 9:45 pm.

Does legal to start legal to finish here? Or does this rule even apply because the schedule is legal and I haven't deviated from the schedule?

 

[kf4amu]

If you are close to or over 30/7 that may be a problem but nothing else jumps out as illegal from a quick glance.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Seems legit so far....What do you think is illegal?

 

[pilotyip]

What Part 135 0r 121?

 

[Simon Says]

121 ops. I was thinking the more than 8 hour of flying in a 24 hour period, but nothing was rescheduled. Unless the air return was considered a reschedule.

Thanks guys,,,,I think I am legal.

thanks

 

[CesnaCaptn]

Sec. 121.471 — Flight time limitations and rest requirements: All flight crewmembers.

(a) No certificate holder conducting domestic operations may schedule any flight crewmember and no flight crewmember may accept an assignment for flight time in scheduled air transportation or in other commercial flying if that crewmember's total flight time in all commercial flying will exceed— (1) 1,000 hours in any calendar year;
(2) 100 hours in any calendar month;
(3) 30 hours in any 7 consecutive days;
(4) 8 hours between required rest periods.


You probably fly more than 8 hours in a 24 hour period frequently without realizing it.

 

[mesaba13]

Fly 6 hours
Rest 10 hours
Fly 8 hours

Flew 14 hours in 24 hours legally

 

[wmuflyguy]

121 ops. I was thinking the more than 8 hour of flying in a 24 hour period, but nothing was rescheduled. Unless the air return was considered a reschedule.

Thanks guys,,,,I think I am legal.

thanks

Did you keep the same flight number on your second attempt?

 

[Ualexpress]

You can fly over eight hours in a 24 hour period as long as you have required rest somewhere in that 24 hour period. You maybe confusing 24 hour period with duty period (you would be limited to 8 hours of scheduled block in a duty period, but you may go over 8 actual block hours for unscheduled unforeseen events).

 

[igneousy2]

You can fly over eight hours in a 24 hour period as long as you have required rest somewhere in that 24 hour period. You maybe confusing 24 hour period with duty period (you would be limited to 8 hours of scheduled block in a duty period, but you may go over 8 actual block hours for unscheduled unforeseen events).

I think the 2nd attempt would be illegal. Not if you ask scheduling of course. The 2nd departure was not unforseen.

 

[DrewBlows]

I think the 2nd attempt would be illegal. Not if you ask scheduling of course. The 2nd departure was not unforseen.

Neither an air return nor a diversion constitutes a schedule change as long as the original schedule is flown.

Below are some examples, assume the original flight was DTW-ATL.

DTW-ATL...no schedule change (obviously)
DTW-DTW-ATL...no schedule change
DTW-CVG-ATL (for emergency, weather, etc.)...no schedule change
DTW-CVG-BOS...schedule change

 

[regionalcap]

I think the 2nd attempt would be illegal. Not if you ask scheduling of course. The 2nd departure was not unforseen.

You can still continue the day after a diversion even if it would put you over 8 hours.

http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...0/interpretations/data/interps/1990/Geier.pdf

 

[Raoul Duke]

you were on the same schedule the only hard stop is 16 hours unless you are going to bust 30/7, 100/30 or the lookback rest of 24 in 7. your schedule is fine unless you were fatigued the next day. . .

 

[Erlanger]

Legal to start, legal to finish only applys if your original trip is flown as is, though diverts and air returns are allowed. Any city pairing changes to your schedule voids the legal to start, legal to finish.

 

[Simon Says]

Neither an air return nor a diversion constitutes a schedule change as long as the original schedule is flown.

Below are some examples, assume the original flight was DTW-ATL.

DTW-ATL...no schedule change (obviously)
DTW-DTW-ATL...no schedule change
DTW-CVG-ATL (for emergency, weather, etc.)...no schedule change
DTW-CVG-BOS...schedule change

This was the similar example that our chief used. Thanks for the coments.