Legacy Minimums.

[MarineGrunt]

All this talk of the big guys recalling got me curious. What were their (AA, UAL, DL, etc.) minimums last time they hired? Is it likely they will keep the same mins when hiring resumes? Congrats to all those getting called back!!!

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Depends on the supply of pilots, we are not likely to see a change in current mins anytime this year. However, next year should be interesting considering many mainline carriers' off the street hiring will be into regional jets. As always if you know someone, you can get in earlier.

 

[instructordude]

All this talk of the big guys recalling got me curious. What were their (AA, UAL, DL, etc.) minimums last time they hired? Is it likely they will keep the same mins when hiring resumes? Congrats to all those getting called back!!!

Me too, I am all excited thinking about future opportunities like Delat or United.

 

[MikeSF340]

The only requirement is that you KNOW someone. Just look at CAL.

 

[dojetdriver]

All this talk of the big guys recalling got me curious. What were their (AA, UAL, DL, etc.) minimums last time they hired? Is it likely they will keep the same mins when hiring resumes? Congrats to all those getting called back!!!

If I remember correctly, before 9/11 when these guys were actually hiring, I believe that UAL was basically ATP mins, 1500 tt, ect. They had to up it from the 350 fixed wing PIC thing because new hires could actually hold wide body FO.

DAL was 1200tt and 1000 turbine PIC. I could be wrong, but I'm sure that is what I remember reading.

AA, cant remember.

As far as keeping the same mins, why not? Look at CAL's mins, not to high just to fill out the app. Like another guy said though, the only real min is knowing somebody(s).

 

[JAM-BRO]

Depends on the supply of pilots, we are not likely to see a change in current mins anytime this year. However, next year should be interesting considering many mainline carriers' off the street hiring will be into regional jets. As always if you know someone, you can get in earlier.

We don't have any RJs at NWA but we will hire into the 9 next year... With 90% bypass rate, it might be next summer... I can't speak for the others legacy carriers but all will be recalling I bet...

 

[dojetdriver]

We don't have any RJs at NWA but we will hire into the 9 next year... With 90% bypass rate, it might be next summer... I can't speak for the others legacy carriers but all will be recalling I bet...

No RJ's at NW? Is there another name for the DC-9?

 

[glasspilot1]

No RJ's at NW? Is there another name for the DC-9?

Since when is the DC9 an RJ?

I'd rather ride in the back of a DC9-10 than anywhere on the POS EMB145 I attempt to get to work on now! (ORF-STL). Need I say more?

 

[PlaneDrvr]

Probably will be the same as it always is; there are the "minimum requirements" which are whatever they are and rarely change with changing times. Then there are minimum flight time (multi, turbine, jet, PIC, etc), as well as college, LOR, etc; in order to be "competitive" and that is normally what changes with the marketplace (available pilots), # of airlines hiring and the amount of people hiring. The "competitive" minimums, or what the airline is 'currently looking for' in a pilot candidate, has always changed with the times, and the hiring trends. Minimum requirements are just what the term says, the "minimum."

Just for what's its worth.

DA

 

[NuGuy]

The only requirement is that you KNOW someone. Just look at CAL.

I can't speak for any new hiring process, but in the past at NWA, a recommendation did zero to get you anywhere. They would glance at one if your brought a letter to the stage 2 interview, but by then the job was yours to lose anyway.

Towards the very end of the hiring spree in 2000-01 when the company started losing a lot of people to other majors, they instituted a recommendation process. It was kind of strange...you had to have flown with the person, but riding on the jumpseat with them didn't count.

For example, if I had a bro at Spirit on the MD-80, let's say, I couldn't just ride the jumpseat on his crew and have it count. But I could rent a 152 and fly with the guy, and that was good enough.


Nu

 

[michael707767]

when any of the majors start to hire, the minimum requirements won't be too bad. However, what the mins are what are truly competitive will be two different things.

 

[bendover]

Mins at the majors? .. ie/ white males 6000TT and multiple type ratings. ,, .........minorities/women.... commercial pilots license /500hrs.

 

[michael707767]

Mins at the majors? .. ie/ white males 6000TT and multiple type ratings. ,, .........minorities/women.... commercial pilots license /500hrs.

Uh, wouldn't that just be the mins at UAL?

 

[RedTailSwinger]

We don't have any RJs at NWA but we will hire into the 9 next year... With 90% bypass rate, it might be next summer... I can't speak for the others legacy carriers but all will be recalling I bet...

I thought the new NWA contract included RJs to replace the DC-9 at a new (much lower) payscale. And, once NWA gets a specific number of these DC-9 replacements (I forget the number but less than 10), NWA can sell compass.

 

[g-code]

Are the majors big into nepotism, IE your daddy is a 777 captain etc?

 

[joevollers]

Awa.. now UsAiways had mins of 2500 tt 1000 pic but the avg in class was aprox 5000tt...out of 16 in my hiring class only 1 did not have previous 121 experience and 1 other had not been PIC at a 121 carrier..

6 x-mesa all capts
3-x great lakes all had Trainingg dept exp 1 also had corp job
1-x eagle(fo only)
1-x twa aa
1-x Usairways
1 x Mesaba
1-x piedmont
1-x intel shuttle pilot
1-x netjets(fo)


Every single one had a recommendation

So............... It would seem to me that the fast track to getting hired somewhere would be to get yourself to the left seat of a commuter as quick as possible...

 

[dojetdriver]

Are the majors big into nepotism, IE your daddy is a 777 captain etc?

Nope, not at all. Family relation as well as if your daddy is a 777 CA has no bearing what so ever.

Just look at CAL if you want proof.

 

[g-code]

Is that sarcasm or truth? On this board I can never tell.

 

[dojetdriver]

Is that sarcasm or truth? On this board I can never tell.

Yep, sorry. More than a few guys hired at CAL had family there. Granted, alot of them (not all) were pretty qualified. If you have no PIC, how else will they look at you? SOMETHING has to seperate you from the 15,000 apps on file.

The other thing, most of the guys I fly with at Xjet that are going over to a CAL seem to have ATLEAST 10 recommendations. Thats 10. Doesn't mean that you need 10 or 10 will get you in the door, some go with much less. Some have an important flight ops person rec them, ect.

 

[Superpilot92]

Yep, sorry. More than a few guys hired at CAL had family there. Granted, alot of them (not all) were pretty qualified. If you have no PIC, how else will they look at you? SOMETHING has to seperate you from the 15,000 apps on file.

The other thing, most of the guys I fly with at Xjet that are going over to a CAL seem to have ATLEAST 10 recommendations. Thats 10. Doesn't mean that you need 10 or 10 will get you in the door, some go with much less. Some have an important flight ops person rec them, ect.

I saw the sarcasm meter pegged on the earlier post!!:beer:

But for the XJT guys that are going Dojet is right, most i fly with that are going, have gone, or are interviewing all had/have lots of rec letters and most have at least 5000+tt with well over the 1000 turbine pic.

Hey DoJet have you decided if you are going to apply for the Charter Gig?

 

[Popeye0537]

Since when is the DC9 an RJ?

I'd rather ride in the back of a DC9-10 than anywhere on the POS EMB145 I attempt to get to work on now! (ORF-STL). Need I say more?

I'll remeber that next time I see you askin if you'll be able to get on.....lol We fly the crappy 140 on that route, there would be no problem with the 145 but thats AA's ultimate wisdom!

 

[dojetdriver]

I saw the sarcasm meter pegged on the earlier post!!:beer:

But for the XJT guys that are going Dojet is right, most i fly with that are going, have gone, or are interviewing all had/have lots of rec letters and most have at least 5000+tt with well over the 1000 turbine pic.

Hey DoJet have you decided if you are going to apply for the Charter Gig?

Reading over the language, it sounds like a good deal. Pay=good. Schedule=Killer, I'm single. Homebasing=awesome. Quality of flying=would be a cool change. I'm sure we would be stuck in alot of the same hotels though. I know, some of ours are good, but some are not.

Duty days, did I read that it could be 16 hour days with only 8 hrs between flying? I went through it pretty quick. I also fear that it will become a "good ol' boys club with instructors and over 60 guys. Like I said, I could have mis-read all the language.

Besides, I can be "charismatically challenged" sometimes and am not quite sure if charter would be a good fit. Assuming I make it throught the interview process.

 

[glasspilot1]

I'll remeber that next time I see you askin if you'll be able to get on.....lol We fly the crappy 140 on that route, there would be no problem with the 145 but thats AA's ultimate wisdom!

Ya! I mean nothing against you guys, that's just the equipment they give you! I wasn't sure of the number; I do know it's the 44 seater. I don't look forward to Winter weights; when do they start?

 

[labbats]

It's Nov 1 to May 1 if I remember correctly.

Good news as far as Eagle proper though... weights will be a non-issue as they complete the heavy checks. They are retrofitting them to add another 1000#, although it likely be 2 years before completion of the fleet. Cross your fingers over the coming months that you get onboard one of the renovated ones.

Although to STL you will be riding on Trans States and I don't know if that is going on over there.

 

[glasspilot1]

Although to STL you will be riding on Trans States and I don't know if that is going on over there.

Close! It's Chatauqua serving STL-ORF. As far as I know they are not doing the higher Zero fuel weight mod like Eagle is doing. That's the spec that kills them in the Winter.

 

[MarineGrunt]

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