left during training

[volatilis altus]

Need some advice. Just over a year ago I left a regional during training. I went from a C-172 and less than 100 multi time to an RJ. Groundschool was fine but the sim proved to fast, mainly because I was used to travelling at the speed of Cessna (a heady 90 kias). Incidentally during training my grandmother went into hospital and shortly there after died. The fast aircraft and family problems didn't mix, killed the old concentration and I quit the training program before I got fired/fail training. I went back to my previous employment, teaching. Since then I have got more experience including Pt. 135 flying (PA31's and King Air 90's & 200's). This from my perspective should help me attain my goal for flying Pt121. How much will this help and how will the recruiters look upon my reasons for quitting during previous training?

 

[Bringupthebird]

If the recruiters don't care that a pilot got hired into a jet without ever flying as Captain on anything larger than a Cessna, then they really shouldn't care about anything.

 

[81Horse]

Put it in a positive light -- you'll be fine. In fact, you'll probably strike them as that rare candidate with both good judgement and a realistic view of your own experience level.

"I withdrew from training at ABC when I realized I didn't have enough experience to cope with the demands of training and a family crisis; I felt I owed it to the airline to offer to withdraw, out of respect for their considerable investment in me as a newhire. Since then, I have made every effort to obtain high-quality experience, and I'm confident in my ability to do a good job both in training, and on the line, for your company."

 

[flyinhigh6165]

You will be ok since you never got fired. I had to leave an airline during training because I got really sick and also had my grandfather pass away. I ended up getting a job with a better airline so it all worked out in the end. Just be honest about it all. Wish you the best of luck and I wouldnt worry about it.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

"I withdrew from training at ABC when I realized I didn't have enough experience to cope with the demands of training and a family crisis; I felt I owed it to the airline to offer to withdraw, out of respect for their considerable investment in me as a newhire. Since then, I have made every effort to obtain high-quality experience, and I'm confident in my ability to do a good job both in training, and on the line, for your company."

When can I sign up for interview training? Or better yet, you should run for office. With spin like that, I'll bet you have a good chance of putting Woerthless back on line.

Excellent point there. Always put a positive spin on the negatives. Learned this from a busted check ride..... Or just use the above qoute and add your own story.

 

[81Horse]

... Or just use the above qoute and add your own story.

Copyright-protected; it'll cost you.

 

[jbDC9]

"I withdrew from training at ABC when I realized I didn't have enough experience to cope with the demands of training and a family crisis; I felt I owed it to the airline to offer to withdraw, out of respect for their considerable investment in me as a newhire. Since then, I have made every effort to obtain high-quality experience, and I'm confident in my ability to do a good job both in training, and on the line, for your company."

Wow, very poetic! Kit Darby, is that you??

 

[81Horse]

Hell. Blew my cover.

On the upside, this looks to be the best year ever in airline hiring history, as an unprecedented number of early retirements creates thousands of pilot openings. Additionally, the permanent departure from the aviation workforce of discouraged furloughees -- and declining enrollments at parent-financed flight training mills -- mean you could be on the fast-track to that airline career now!

 

[FlyBunny]

Oh no, not again!

If the recruiters don't care that a pilot got hired into a jet without ever flying as Captain on anything larger than a Cessna, then they really shouldn't care about anything.

Get out of it, my good friend, get out of it.

In reality, even flying twin-piston doesn't have much to do with the latest in Jets with EFIS.

You have people with many thousand of hours who failed the Jet (the ones you're referring to - CRJ/ERJ types) training. There are senior, very senior NWA/AA/Delta, etc. pilots who skipped upgrading to EFIS equipment in fear of not doing well...so, if our friend decided to leave training, he most likely made a good decision bases on his ability, but has nothing to do with flying on 172. Of course he's got some twin-time otherwise he wouldn't have been hired anyway.

Now, let me tell you this, there's a friend of mine who's upgrading to a an Airbus in Europe next month. He was hired by that airline with 375 total hours; most of that time was in a Piper Warrior and 19 hours of Seminole! Yep. All the training was completed in the US. You don't even want to know how much total time he has right now. It would keep people like you awake for weeks who believe in the 'quantity' rather than 'quality'.

It's a matter of 'quality of training' and 'ability to train'. Not how much time you have!

Bunny

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Wow, very poetic! Kit Darby, is that you??

Come on now, we all you're not Kit. Kit makes you pay upfront (just like United's creditors).

 

[Bringupthebird]

You have people with many thousand of hours who failed the Jet (the ones you're referring to - CRJ/ERJ types) training. There are senior, very senior NWA/AA/Delta, etc. pilots who skipped upgrading to EFIS equipment in fear of not doing well...so, if our friend decided to leave training, he most likely made a good decision bases on his ability, but has nothing to do with flying on 172. Of course he's got some twin-time otherwise he wouldn't have been hired anyway

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Let me ask you this and please answer honestly. How would you feel if the first time this pilot had to get deiced as a captain, he did so with your family on board?

Perhaps he took an upgrade available in a northern base having spent the previous 9 months somewhere perpetually warm. Perhaps the ground ops supervisor was impatient and dismissed his claim that the airplane wasn't adequately deiced, and that same supervisor knew what a newbie he was up against and intimidated him into going. And the newbie F/O in the right seat just shrugs his shoulders.

How would you feel if the first night cross country this pilot flew as Multi-PIC was with that same family of yours? And there are 3 MEL's that seem to contradict one another, but the gate agent threatens to write him up for delaying the flight.

Later in the summer, after being branded by some inside the company as a trouble maker, he faces a showdown with a dispatcher when it appears he needs an alternate (or wants one) and must bump revenue pax for fuel. Does he have sufficient experience to judge whether or not the flight can be completed safely? And the attitude that a low-time C-172 pilot makes an excellent future captain in 9 months speaks volumes about the value the company places on hiring experienced pilots.

Now, let me tell you this, there's a friend of mine who's upgrading to a an Airbus in Europe next month. He was hired by that airline with 375 total hours; most of that time was in a Piper Warrior and 19 hours of Seminole! Yep. All the training was completed in the US. You don't even want to know how much total time he has right now. It would keep people like you awake for weeks who believe in the 'quantity' rather than 'quality'.

It's a matter of 'quality of training' and 'ability to train'. Not how much time you have!

I've heard this same broken record since 1986. There's a black hole in Jefferson City MO the shape of an RJ that seems to contradict that.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I agree that marginally qualified people can be trained to fly a perfect airplane in perfect weather. And the advances in technology and weather prediction as well as airspace saturation make the odds of being in a dire situation substantially lower than they were 30 years ago.

But the airplanes most pilots are (or should) be hired into do not have this technology and the likelyhood of being placed in an emergency while flying a load of express mail in a clapped-out Aztec or Beech 18 is far greater and if someone is going to learn through the school of hard knocks, I would prefer their Freshman year is spent without paying passengers aboard.

 

[Leroy Smith]

Oh no, not again!

Now, let me tell you this, there's a friend of mine who's upgrading to a an Airbus in Europe next month. He was hired by that airline with 375 total hours; most of that time was in a Piper Warrior and 19 hours of Seminole! Yep. All the training was completed in the US. You don't even want to know how much total time he has right now. It would keep people like you awake for weeks who believe in the 'quantity' rather than 'quality'.

It's a matter of 'quality of training' and 'ability to train'. Not how much time you have!

Your "time" by itself means nothing. What did you do with that time? How about getting some EXPERIENCE? . Were you a good-for-nothing instructor who just went through the motions to build time but left your student with nothing more than the bare mininums for a checkride? Or were you the type who tried harder and took them out every chance you could in real weather? Not much that can make you as sharp as having to stay three steps ahead of a student who is a step behind. Try keeping them safe, legal and actually learning something. Sounds like good practice for Captaining with a 250hr wonderpilot, doesn't it?

'Quality of training' and 'ability to train' are good and necessary starting points. Where are you gonna go from there?

 

[blzr]

Most experienced pilots with thousands of hours are still learning. The difference between the high time and the low time pilot is that the more experienced one has past experience to rely upon. I thought I was READY to upgrade when I got hired at a regional, but the truth of the matter is that the flying is the easy part. After three years I was till learning what to do in regards to the BIG PICTURE, and more importantly, what not to do.

My grandmother could fly a jet, with a little training. But flying is such a small part of the job.

 

[flyboyike]

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I've heard this same broken record since 1986. There's a black hole in Jefferson City MO the shape of an RJ that seems to contradict that.

I think the black hole in Jefferson City indicates that bad decisions lead to bad consequences, regardless of flight time.