Leave CAL for SWA?

[The Victors]

Those rates will change with Contract '08.

You SURE about that??

 

[AWACoff]

Yes,

With almost 2000 newhires by the time contract '08 is voted on, we will be improving our contract. This will be a very different company in a few short years...

 

[The Victors]

well that'll be nice to see if it actually happens...good luck. Just try and take a lesson from those airtran guys and dont take a crap TA.

 

[SWA/FO]

With almost 2000 newhires by the time contract '08 is voted on, we will be improving our contract. This will be a very different company in a few short years...

This is funny, cus people think the opposite of Southwest Airlines. They think our next contract MUST get worst then where we are now. You know growth slowing, longer upgrades...doom and gloom. We were the best thing, now its all over. Company still pays cash for airplanes, buying 1 billion worth of stock back, bad scene here.......

Now onto CAL, "hey we are awesome, we hired a whole bunch, we ARE going to improve our contract cus we hired a bunch of guys (SWA hired more in that time frame, by-the-way). We are adding planes too (not as much as Southwest Airlines) but we get fat ones they dont and ours come with payments. So while some of us hope SWA Pilots have paycuts, we are getting a great contract here in 2008 on the amendable date..."

try 2010, dude.

the SWA/FO imp:

 

[Hutchman]

This is funny, cus people think the opposite of Southwest Airlines. They think our next contract MUST get worst then where we are now. You know growth slowing, longer upgrades...doom and gloom. We were the best thing, now its all over. Company still pays cash for airplanes, buying 1 billion worth of stock back, bad scene here.......

Now onto CAL, "hey we are awesome, we hired a whole bunch, we ARE going to improve our contract cus we hired a bunch of guys (SWA hired more in that time frame, by-the-way). We are adding planes too (not as much as Southwest Airlines) but we get fat ones they dont and ours come with payments. So while some of us hope SWA Pilots have paycuts, we are getting a great contract here in 2008 on the amendable date..."

try 2010, dude.

the SWA/FO imp:

I don't hope SWA takes a paycut. But you guys should be hoping the CAL guys do get a huge pay raise. Remember, the Legacy carriers are the ONLY reason you have your current the pay rates. SWA pay WAS never higher than the big boys. Now it is, but it is only because the big boys have gotten hammered over the years. It is important for SWA pilots that the majors get back to where they were so you can keep your cost advantage over us.

 

[The Victors]

While I agree with most of what you said, the "legacy carriers are the only reason you have your current pay rates" statement shows your bitterness and total lack of intelligence.

 

[Hutchman]

While I agree with most of what you said, the "legacy carriers are the only reason you have your current pay rates" statement shows your bitterness and total lack of intelligence.

I am by no means bitter at SWA. All I am saying is that it is important to SWA pilots that all the other airlines get their pay back up. Without it, you turn into a normal airline.

 

[BID]

This is funny, cus people think the opposite of Southwest Airlines. They think our next contract MUST get worst then where we are now. You know growth slowing, longer upgrades...doom and gloom. We were the best thing, now its all over. Company still pays cash for airplanes, buying 1 billion worth of stock back, bad scene here.......

Now onto CAL, "hey we are awesome, we hired a whole bunch, we ARE going to improve our contract cus we hired a bunch of guys (SWA hired more in that time frame, by-the-way). We are adding planes too (not as much as Southwest Airlines) but we get fat ones they dont and ours come with payments. So while some of us hope SWA Pilots have paycuts, we are getting a great contract here in 2008 on the amendable date..."

try 2010, dude.

the SWA/FO imp:

What, you don't like "fat ones"? Hey lets try this one more time, WE ARE GETTING A GREAT CONTRACT! What the heck one more time, WE ARE GETTING A GREAT CONTRACT!

I will ask you for a favor do, can you please help Pocono and Captain Overs get a job at SWA? Those two only deserve the best in life. Show us the luv, lets help those two out! I really want to see them happy

 

[The Victors]

I am by no means bitter at SWA. All I am saying is that it is important to SWA pilots that all the other airlines get their pay back up. Without it, you turn into a normal airline.

totally agree. It is important for swa that other airline pilots get their pay back up. I don't believe that swa will ever be a "normal" airline just for the simple fact that it is their mgmts. goal to run a successful airline. That's not normal for the industry.

 

[AlbieF15]

I think he meant even UPS in the sense they don't hire as much as most other places and they are difficult to even get interviews with. "Even UPS", the way I read it was like "even UPS!" in a positive way. I have never known Albie to be a chop-buster. Then again, he does work for your competition

Exactly. :beer:

I think gettting hired by UPS is very tough with the long line of folks who want to be there and (lately) their high requirements on Int'l experience. Yet some XJT guys have found a way to clear that hurdle. I was impressed...

As for UPS...great folks, great airline, and a great new contract. Nice of them to pull the bar up last time. FDX went in the right direction, but the resolve of the UPS guys and gals was one of the reasons we got what we did. None of us work in a vaccuum.

That's why I think a good contact at CAL helps the guys at JB, and a better DAL contract helps guys at SWA and FedEx. The correct thing to say when the guys at another company swing a better deal than you currently have is "thanks". Airtran is losing 10 guys a month, and JB lost about the same number for the last 18 months. The greener pastures they flock to means at some point mgt has to factor attrition and training costs into the salary scales. To keep the attrition under control, pay and benefits must improve. The guys left behind win too.

 

[AV80R]

Exactly. :beer:
I think gettting hired by UPS is very tough with the long line of folks who want to be there and (lately) their high requirements on Int'l experience. Yet some XJT guys have found a way to clear that hurdle. I was impressed...

As for UPS...great folks, great airline, and a great new contract. Nice of them to pull the bar up last time...

"...I see things clearly now when beer is gone..."
I don't know, maybe beer makes me more sensitive?

Hey, that could be a great commercial!? "Get in touch with your feminine side - drink Miller Lite!" :beer:

 

[AWACoff]

SWA/FO,

Hence the reason why I said "by the time contract '08 is voted on". It is obvious to everyone but you apparently that contracts are not ratified until 2 to 3 years after the amendable date.

Yes,

With almost 2000 newhires by the time contract '08 is voted on, we will be improving our contract. This will be a very different company in a few short years...

 

[mdf]

This is funny, cus people think the opposite of Southwest Airlines. They think our next contract MUST get worst then where we are now. You know growth slowing, longer upgrades...doom and gloom. We were the best thing, now its all over. Company still pays cash for airplanes, buying 1 billion worth of stock back, bad scene here.......

Now onto CAL, "hey we are awesome, we hired a whole bunch, we ARE going to improve our contract cus we hired a bunch of guys (SWA hired more in that time frame, by-the-way). We are adding planes too (not as much as Southwest Airlines) but we get fat ones they dont and ours come with payments. So while some of us hope SWA Pilots have paycuts, we are getting a great contract here in 2008 on the amendable date..."

try 2010, dude.

the SWA/FO imp:

This is the general theme of Flightinfo.

 

[mdf]

I don't hope SWA takes a paycut. But you guys should be hoping the CAL guys do get a huge pay raise. Remember, the Legacy carriers are the ONLY reason you have your current the pay rates. SWA pay WAS never higher than the big boys. Now it is, but it is only because the big boys have gotten hammered over the years. It is important for SWA pilots that the majors get back to where they were so you can keep your cost advantage over us.

Big Boys???

 

[Tejas-Jet]

Remember, the Legacy carriers are the ONLY reason you have your current the pay rates.

Not really....The company wanted an extension to the current contract....9/11 had already happened and SWAPA saw an opportunity to tie the contract extension to profitability raises.

The raises we got were based on SWA's profits....had nothing to do with legacy carriers profits because...there weren't any at that time.

Since we didn't know how much our raises were going to be....until the profits were announced.

Think any "Legacy" pilot group out there will tie their future raises to company profits?

 

[Captain X]

Are you serious? CAL or Southwest? Hmm, tough one!

CAL is broke and has actual crap streaming down the aisles of the flights cause there is no money to fix stuff apparently.

Southwest is a great profitable company. I would take the luv anyday over the crap.

Shut up ho. You lost all credibility when someone pulled up a post about how bad you wanted to work at CAL.

 

[MTNHI]

Hey Guys (and Gals)

Thanks for all the responses and insight. Yes, SWA is the place I've wanted to work since I was in high school....I feel like I want to shoot for my dream job at least one more time. I don't feel like CAL gave me a type rating because I was one of "those guys" who paid for it before I got to CAL (but lets not start another one of those threads).

Flying internationally doesn't appeal to me at all...but being home with more days off, great people, and a little more $$ sounds pretty good. That being said, I'm fairly young (28) and maybe 30 years from now I would want to do international stuff (but then again, maybe SWA will be doing that then).

One thing I worry about is my buddy at CAL that helped me get the job...but I also worry if I interview at SWA and have the 6-7 people there that I know write me letters...I don't want them to get any heat for me interivewing and then not accepting the job (if I got offered one that is).

I guess I need to get a second interview call before I need to worry about anything....but just wanted to get thoughts from others.

Everyone tries to make this stuff way to personal. If they are truly your friends they will understand if you are honest and up front.

Also as far as the companies goes,...It is all business! SWA included. You can leave CAL with a type and feel bad. But they would furlough you if they had to. It is nothing personal, just a thing called business and the bottom line. MONEY!!

 

[SWA/FO]

SWA/FO,

Hence the reason why I said "by the time contract '08 is voted on". It is obvious to everyone but you apparently that contracts are not ratified until 2 to 3 years after the amendable date.

Hence, the reason I typed 2010.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Shut up ho.

Reeeeeaaaaal niiiiiiice!

Very becoming of a "professional" aviator too.

 

[Captain X]

Reeeeeaaaaal niiiiiiice!

Very becoming of a "professional" aviator too.

It's only in response to "her" level of "professionalism" and hypocrisy -- and used tongue in cheek anyway. I guess Imus ruined the word for us completely. Gotta play to the lowest common denominator sometimes.

"She'll" get over it. So will you.

 

[capt. megadeth]

"She'll" get over it. So will you.

Don't worry studmuffin, if your opinion had even a shred of importance in my life, I might need to get over it. Guess what? It doesn't.

 

[Scrapdog]

Don't worry studmuffin, if your opinion had even a shred of importance in my life, I might need to get over it. Guess what? It doesn't.

However...mega, I know that my opinions DO mean something in your life. And by the way, I'm supposed to be the only one you're calling studmuffin!

 

[bearcat]

Not going to go into a CAL vs SWA debate here. These are 2 very different companies doing different things. I think you are worried about letting CAL or your friends down if you end up going to SWA. Don't!!! This is your life and your career. If your heart is at SWA, and they hire you, you have to go; period.... Don't worry about what CAL thinks. It happens more than you think here and I think it is good that people are leaving from time to time. Your friends will get over it if they are truly good friends. I had my best friend leave CAL for DAL a few months ago. I'm happy for him as DAL was his dream and his legacy. Go for it!!!!

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No one ever stated the simple stuff. Just shy of two years at CAL = weekends AND holidays off at EWR (737) weekends OR holidays off at IAH. Oh, days off. I can now hold a line in the 777 and that equals 19-21 days off per month.

I cannot believe the tal of the balance sheet on this forum. That is the, "I bet my dad can beat up your dad" bs. If you live at a SWA domicile.....than I would switch.

 

[BID]

Man I too was looking at the 777, a buddy of mine in the same new hire class is holding sweet lines in it, 19 days off. (late summer 05') I am strongly considering going over to that equipment. With the pay increase in July, it should pay about 85 bucks per hour. Not bad for a 2 year FO?

Anyway, I hope it works out for you. I have many many friends at SWA and just about all of them love it there. I will say if you are certain you are going to jump ship I would try to do so ASAP. The longer you wait the harder it will be to justify the jump.

laters.

 

[capt. megadeth]

However...mega, I know that my opinions DO mean something in your life. And by the way, I'm supposed to be the only one you're calling studmuffin!

Whoops! Sorry, my big studly man......it won't happen again. XOXO