Leav Alpa

[John Pennekamp]

Shane's Rib shack is a chain here in South Atlanta. Got some of the best ribs I've ever had.

 

[H.Agenda]

Here's your link if you want to go through with it.

Not really worth it in my opinion, even if your union sucks donkey balls. You can be in a union shop at an airline, and be a non-dues paying member, but you have to pay a "maintence fee" that covers the cost of ALPA (for example) to negotiate your contract (and ONLY that).

However, ALPA gets away with charging a "maintence fee" that is exactly equal to your union dues. Funny how that works out, eh?

And until Congress passes laws that force full disclosure of how your dues are spent, good luck proving otherwise.

http://www.nrtw.org/a/rla_prime.htm

Maintinence fees still sounds like rackateering.. But what do I know I'm just a corporate pilot.

I negotiate my own terms.

 

[shamrock]

If your MEC Secretary/Treasurer can't tell you how your dollar is spent, you should recall him/her. They should be willing and happy to walk you through the finances of the union. I know ours is happy to open the books and take the time to show what happens to anyone who is interested.

Reading the first sentence of the post I thought it was a tongue in cheek swipe at our current sec/treasurer, suggesting his recall, but then I read the rest of the post.

Our (ASA, the OP's employer) Sec/Treasurer is too busy plotting the overthrow and removal of ALPA to do as you suggest.

 

[Edct]

For those of us anti-union-freedom-loving-capitalists who do work at such places, yes we do have a choice to be a member or not. However, we must pay their dues anyway, so why not join and have a say in how things are done however small that voice may be. I for one will have a clean conscience after the strike vote - I will not put SIX THOUSAND people out of work for a small raise and a commuter clause. Don't much care what you socialists think about "sending a message"...

If you do join, here are some helpful terms to remember:
"Drinking the Kool-Aid": The process of respecting your employer, who hired you and signs your checks while performing your job as requested.
"Whipsaw": A union member's excuse for pretty much anything management does thoughout thier career. Ex: The coffee maker in the lounge is broken, it's all part of the whipsaw to pit us against each other.
"Don't lower the bar": Feel free to ignore all aspects of basic economics regarding your company's finances and demand more money regardless of the consequences.
"Fair contract now!": Yes I know you hired me with the understanding that I would make $xxx, under yyy and zzz work rules, but I no longer consider that "fair", so kindly improve my lifestyle or I will shut your company down.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If you do join, here are some helpful terms to remember:
"Drinking the Kool-Aid": The process of respecting your employer, who hired you and signs your checks while performing your job as requested..

An Air Line Pilot will faithfully discharge the duty he owes the airline that employs him and whose salary makes possible his way of life.

• He will do all within his powers to operate his aircraft efficiently and on schedule in a manner that will not cause damage or unnecessary maintenance.
• He will respect the officers, directors, and supervisors of his airline, remembering that respect does not entail subservience.
• He will faithfully obey all lawful directives given by his supervisors, but will resist and, if necessary, refuse to obey any directives that, in his considered judgment, are not lawful or will adversely affect flight safety. He will remember that in the final analysis the responsibility for safe completion of the flight rests upon his shoulders.
• He will not knowingly falsify any log or record, nor will he condone such action by other crew members.
• He will remember that a full month’s salary demands a full and fair month’s work. On his days off, he will not engage in any occupation or activity that will diminish his efficiency or bring discredit to his profession.
• He will realize that he represents the airline to all who meet him and will at all times keep his personal appearance and conduct above reproach.
• He will give his airline, its officers, directors, and supervisors the full loyalty that is their due, and will refrain from speaking ill of them. If he feels it necessary to reveal and correct conditions that are not conducive to safe operations and harmonious relations, he will direct his criticism to the proper authorities within ALPA.
• He will hold his airline’s business secrets in confidence, and will take care that they are not improperly revealed.

 

[GogglesPisano]

For those of us anti-union-freedom-loving-capitalists who do work at such places, yes we do have a choice to be a member or not. However, we must pay their dues anyway, so why not join and have a say in how things are done however small that voice may be. I for one will have a clean conscience after the strike vote - I will not put SIX THOUSAND people out of work for a small raise and a commuter clause. Don't much care what you socialists think about "sending a message"...

If you do join, here are some helpful terms to remember:
"Drinking the Kool-Aid": The process of respecting your employer, who hired you and signs your checks while performing your job as requested.
"Whipsaw": A union member's excuse for pretty much anything management does thoughout thier career. Ex: The coffee maker in the lounge is broken, it's all part of the whipsaw to pit us against each other.
"Don't lower the bar": Feel free to ignore all aspects of basic economics regarding your company's finances and demand more money regardless of the consequences.
"Fair contract now!": Yes I know you hired me with the understanding that I would make $xxx, under yyy and zzz work rules, but I no longer consider that "fair", so kindly improve my lifestyle or I will shut your company down.

There are plenty of non-union airlines out there. Usually they're just gems to work for. If unions give you such a sour taste, quit complaining and go to work for a non-union company.

 

[Edct]

There are plenty of non-union airlines out there. Usually they're just gems to work for. If unions give you such a sour taste, quit complaining and go to work for a non-union company.

Brilliant advice. Thank you, I plan to. Ironically that is the same thing I say to the constant complainers who apparently hate their jobs enough to want to destroy their company and everyone who counts on it, but dammit they just don't leave! Believe it or not, some of us actually enjoy our jobs.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Brilliant advice. Thank you, I plan to. Ironically that is the same thing I say to the constant complainers who apparently hate their jobs enough to want to destroy their company and everyone who counts on it, but dammit they just don't leave! Believe it or not, some of us actually enjoy our jobs.

Unfortunately for you, you are in the distinct minority when it comes to views on unionization. You can ...

a) Attempt to start a decertification drive (good luck, most pilots know they are better off with one than without one. Think your pay/benefits will improve without one?)

or

b) Find a non-union job.