Lear type out of recurrent @ FSI

[F/O]

Hi all

Gonna be attending Lear 35 training at Flightsafety soon and typing out of recurrent. I've got about 250 hr in the a/c and no time flying from the left seat. I've been through recurrent before once but not initial.

I'd feel much more comfortable going thru a full PIC initial but my employer doesn't want to spend the money so it's already been decided.

Being used to formal airline training programs, it seems to me like a WHOLE lotta stuff is being crammed into a VERY short period of time. Somehow we are supposed to do the CP's recurrent while I get my type training. Plus, he won't even be around to be my copilot on the type ride.

Just looking for opinions from you guys about how to make this go smoothly. I'll be calling down to the instructor here next week to get his take on it as well. I'm grateful for the type opportunity, but honestly the CP I work/with for hasn't been much help.

Thanks for any input...

 

[GREAT LAKES]

LR-JET Type

Get the books, study, study and study. I would concentrate on the memory items, flows and limitations. Good luck.

 

[Rick1128]

Great Lakes covers most of it. Get comfortable with the systems. You should be able to discuss the systems is some detail. As required by the ATP PTS. There are a lot of pilots who do their type the same way, so relax. Remember there are only so many ways they can put an airplane together. On the oral just answer the question. First listen to the question, think about it and then answer it. And only answer it. Don't add anything. Too many people bust the oral by doing an information dump. They say everything that is on their mind. Hoping that the right answer is in there somewhere. So don't do that. So if the examiner asks you if you know the fuel system. Your answer is 'Yes'. Nothing more. As for emergency procedures, many examiners like to ask about items checklists that have no memory items. Be aware of that. Also get familiar with the performance charts. All of them. Personally I like to give a performance problem out of Aspen in the summer time. It makes for an interesting problem.

As for flying, relax. Except for the manuvers that require higher speeds, like steep turns and emergency descents, there is NO need to go over 180 knots. First of all, you have a limited time period to conduct the test. And a list of required manuvers. The examiner can do additional manuvers if there is time. Second, the slower speed will give you time to set up and plan your next move. And it keeps you from busting a speed limit.

Last of all, FLY THE AIRPLANE! I know it sounds dumb. But you will surprised how many pilots will let the airplane fly them during a checkride.

Good luck.

 

[LJDRVR]

Hey F/O,

Looking at your profile, there's not a lot I could tell yell you that you're not already aware of. Once in a while our pilots upgrade out of recurrent at Simuflite, ands it's always the ol' drink from the fire hose routine. Rick's advice sounds spot-on, I will however, offer a few more ideas:

Hand fly the airplane as much as possible between now and your class date. I've found this technique really wakes up the old seat-of-the-pants. Especially during high altitude cruise.

Secondly, on empty legs have your partner be responsible for traffic and do some flying with your forehead pressed into the glareshield. (ILS's are the best) Learjet was nice enough to provide us with a built in view limiting device to help us sharpen up before the schoolhouse or winter. (I use it every fall!) As an added bonus, your proximity to the panel will force you to move you eyballs more than you normally do, which really does provide a nice stretch for your scan.

If the Captains you fly with are aware you're upgrading, they really should be letting you fly from the left side to get your sea legs back. If they don't offer, ask.

Lastly, although I've never flown FSI's LR35 sim, what still probably works well is this: Fly the whole checkride at 180 KTS indicated, except those parts where higher is required. There's no min-clean speed on the Lear, (as you know) and 180 in level flight allows you to add flaps 8, 20, gear down, and flaps 40 at the marker, allowing a pitch over to Vref+10 without even having to touch the thrust. (All on-speed too!) Lazy and slow is better.

Best of luck, man. Let us know how it went.

Warm Regards,

 

[jetboy 604]

upgrade

I would agree with much of what is said above. Study, know your memory items before class. I upgraded my 604 type. You are in a better position than you think, it's easier to type after flying the airplane. Remeber though it's a sim. Don't go in there thinking that it's going to fly like the airplane , and don't fight it and complain that it dosn't. Fly, pitch and attitude and don't be distracted by the motion lag of the sim. You know this I know but it doesn't hurt to be reminded. also it is always to your advantage to have a instructor as your sim partner on a ride, he knows the whole ride and the sim like the back of his hand. This helps, you won't have to worry as much about him. He will complete the check list in 1/2 the time (because he knew and had his thumb on it )and prompt you when he can. Remember a Type ride is a PIC or how well I COMMAND and know my airplane ride, we all know you can fly....you wouldn't be there.....Ask If you can take the oral the day or night before... it makes the flying part fun, knowing the oarl is complete, the examiner may like it also... have fun...wish I was going for a new type......

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I too did a type at recurrent at FSI a few years back. Did it at Tucson and it was my first type. I like that facility..

Just know the systems and be familiar with the checklist and manuevers and it is NO problem. I did it with a LOT less experience that you have and it was not too bad.

I REALLY second that notion of flying slow on the checkride. All problems start when the Lear gets goin' too fast...

Its not that "Firehose" BS people sometimes spout off about....no worries, just be very prepared.

Dont forget to exercise and have a few beers. Those are the two most important things at school!!

 

[temcgrew]

jetreview.com

check out www.jetreview.com

It has the memory items, limitations and annunciator panel in a way the you can quiz yourself and have them down before you go.

 

[English]

Thanks for the link www.jetreview.com. I'm getting typed in a new airplane as well. Looks like a good study site.

 

[F/O]

Thx everybody for your advice.

I called the instructor today and he recommended focusing on 3 areas:

1. Annunciator panel--what each light is telling you and what checklist to go to.

2. Cold a/c checks, i.e. trim, autopilot, yaw damper

3. Limitations

If you all come up with any further advice, please don't hesitate to keep the thread alive

 

[Gulfstream 200]

get a manuevers guide also and know the configurations, power settings and speeds for them (stalls, steep turns, etc..)

big help to know those cold.