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True, but...
You may spend only fifteen minutes on the ramp getting fueled but you really lose closer to an hour each time you come down for fuel.
You're actually losing time the entire time from when you start down until you get back to altitude. Since the Lear cruises very close to redline, you don't gain much of anything in the descent - but you start to lose time as TAS decreases with altitude. Pick up a short vector or two, slow below 10,000 ft., maneuver and slow in the pattern, roll out, taxi in, and shutdown, and then do the opposite on the way out - it all adds up. Plus, half the time no matter what you tell the passengers once they find those Flower girls you end up having to herd them back to the plane. And even once you start back up, you're still falling behind - you may rocket up in 12 minutes, but until you get level and the speed builds back up, you're losing ground to the non-stop plane - by 150 kts or so. Even in the relatively quiet airports like Salina, Hutchinson, and Pueblo, you'll actually end up close to an hour behind - so every extra stop adds up.
For what it's worth, we figured out the lost time not by "swagging," but by using the GPS/FMS. Just before starting down, we punched up the first major VOR on the route beyond the fuel stop and wrote down the ETA as if we had stayed at altitude; after departure we compared that with our actual time over the VOR. Try it - the difference will surprise you - we never thought it was that much.
You may spend only fifteen minutes on the ramp getting fueled but you really lose closer to an hour each time you come down for fuel.
You're actually losing time the entire time from when you start down until you get back to altitude. Since the Lear cruises very close to redline, you don't gain much of anything in the descent - but you start to lose time as TAS decreases with altitude. Pick up a short vector or two, slow below 10,000 ft., maneuver and slow in the pattern, roll out, taxi in, and shutdown, and then do the opposite on the way out - it all adds up. Plus, half the time no matter what you tell the passengers once they find those Flower girls you end up having to herd them back to the plane. And even once you start back up, you're still falling behind - you may rocket up in 12 minutes, but until you get level and the speed builds back up, you're losing ground to the non-stop plane - by 150 kts or so. Even in the relatively quiet airports like Salina, Hutchinson, and Pueblo, you'll actually end up close to an hour behind - so every extra stop adds up.
For what it's worth, we figured out the lost time not by "swagging," but by using the GPS/FMS. Just before starting down, we punched up the first major VOR on the route beyond the fuel stop and wrote down the ETA as if we had stayed at altitude; after departure we compared that with our actual time over the VOR. Try it - the difference will surprise you - we never thought it was that much.
Couldn't tell you...I've never had them both running on the ground except at the hold line...
For Turbo, there was a guy who really used to the "dead stick" thing in a single up here in the northeast. He would fly cross-country until the prop stopped, then glide into the nearest uncontrolled field, and hopefully coast up to the FBO. It was sort of an urban legend around here - there were people along the mid-atlantic coast who swore they were at the airport when he "dropped in," but most of his didn't believe anyone would really do that. Then a couple of years ago he was nabbed by a fed who happened to be at the airport when he declared his usual "emergency."
The dumb thing is, he had his family in the plane. Otherwise, he's more or less just a sort-of-crazy glider pilot...
For Turbo, there was a guy who really used to the "dead stick" thing in a single up here in the northeast. He would fly cross-country until the prop stopped, then glide into the nearest uncontrolled field, and hopefully coast up to the FBO. It was sort of an urban legend around here - there were people along the mid-atlantic coast who swore they were at the airport when he "dropped in," but most of his didn't believe anyone would really do that. Then a couple of years ago he was nabbed by a fed who happened to be at the airport when he declared his usual "emergency."
The dumb thing is, he had his family in the plane. Otherwise, he's more or less just a sort-of-crazy glider pilot...
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Speaking of engines out and dead sticks (and brains), does anybody remember the departure accident a few years ago (I think) in a Corvette (light twin biz jet)? It involved an attempted takeoff on one engine, with the intent of performing a windmill start when enough airspeed was accumulated during the takeoff roll.
Needless to say, they never left the runway, intact. I believe everyone survived.
I don't remember the details, but the event sticks out in my mind.
Needless to say, they never left the runway, intact. I believe everyone survived.
I don't remember the details, but the event sticks out in my mind.
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