Latest Mesaba vacancy notice

[Towelie]

Yes with all this growth coming at NWA and to still have guys and gals on the street really annoys me.

I think the unions need to come together and realize we are all one big team. Me thinks all the good ole boys out their just want their pay so bad they have us slave drivers at the regionals to help subsidize their X wives.

Just to play devil's advocate, we haven't officially seen the "growth" yet. But I'm sure it's coming too.

If XJ gets jets, it will look bad to the NWA guys but really it's no different that what has been happening for the past few years. Low fare carriers and super-regionals vs. the legacy carriers. It's a really fun game where everyone ends up losing.

 

[avrodriverj85]

Whats really going on here?

They might still get recalled....just not to NW. I doubt NWA pilots are going to rollover and watch these spots disappear while Mesaba grows. Who knows maybe the dream of some type of flow thru might happen after all.....now it's just a matter of seeing at what cost. AD

So avrodriver, you were on the MEC.. are you saying that if the NWA pilots on the street are recalled, they'll come over to XJ, with the new jets? Is that what all the secrecy is about?

"Now it's just a matter of seeing at what cost"?

Hmm, are you saying another knife in the back? Are we approaching a J4J situation and our own MEC wont tell us? This preoccupation of protecting mainline, with the hopes of a flow-thru is really getting old and is always at the expense of the regional pilot; that is if this is what's going to happen?

Lets go avrodriver, spill the beans.

 

[100LL... Again!]

How is J4J an automatic knife in the back? I would think you would need more details before such a pronouncement could be made.

 

[saabservant]

A six-year fo might call it that when told that all left-seat slots go to nwa furloughs, and new-hires into the right seat, at the current fixed fo rate. Bottom line, no upgrades, or movement out of the saab for junior captains. Mesabi gets the aircraft, but the seniority list gets tossed. Win for nwa, and nwa furloughs, but mesabi seniority list gets used and abused.
Where do they fall on mesaba's seniority list? Are they required to return to nwa upon recall? And are mesaba pilots granted an nwa seniority number, not just an interview?
I promise, if they use mesaba in this way, there better be a real, tangible return, or it will never pass a vote. If this gets forced on mesaba pilots without a vote, stand by. Some senior mesaba pilots may not care about a number, but there is no real security at an airlink carrier. See ACC/Indy air, AIRWIS. etc. They are just a pay-cut demand and an outsource away from the street.

Time to cool off and go walk the dog....

 

[avrodriver]

RJ85 I think you have your avrodrivers mixed up. I was and am not on the MEC and know absolutely nothing except the fact that just about everyone that has been hired since 1999 has been waiting a da.mn loing time making sh.it F/O wages (the old avro/saab rate was a joke for both aircraft and so is the new rate in regards to the avro) to finally see something happen that is going to make the time they've invested in Mesaba finally pay off. Between NWA guys still being on the street, more seats disappearing, and the fact that Mesaba is Mesaba I will not be surprise to see the carrot when they whip it out. AD

 

[flyinglow]

Whatever you guys do. Do not allow a flowback situation to happen. You need not look any further than Eagle. Eagle has plenty of AA furluoghs with relatively little experience playing RJ captain. It is a real mess.

Apparently are little jets are much harder to fly than there big ones, or maybe thats just the way they flew the big ones too, scary.

 

[avrodriver]

That is excatly what I'm getting at. Who says another batch of 9's isn't on the way out in the next few years. Whatever the NW MEC signs off on I guarantee will not only try to get back the jobs they don't have today, but the jobs they won't have tomorrow. Only makes sense, it's what I would do. They aren't going to hand their scope over on a platter. But then again if this is all about more 44 seaters then non of this matters....that aircraft to me though makes less sense than the avro. AD

 

[avrodriverj85]

Avrodriver - sorry for the mixup in monikers, thought you were someone else.

The longer this drags itself out, the more I believe that there is a NWA flow-back coming down the pike. NWA pilots give up retirement and in exchange allow XJ 50 seaters, but ALPA pulls out the PSA playbook and manns some of those CRj's with 9 drivers who didnt make the recall roster. So XJ get's it's new fleet, NWA gains in retirement relief and the cash machine keeps on turning. ALPA's propoganda machine spews trash about protecting jobs, blah blah blah... and the regional pilot pinata' gets smacked with the stick once again.

Hope not !!!