Latest Mesaba vacancy notice

[Towelie]

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From the latest Mesaba vacancy notice that came out today:


First Officer’s Freeze Reminder: Please remember that all FO’s who swap over to another FO position will be frozen for 24 months.

Why do you have to remind people of this? Maybe because next month when a new aircraft comes on the property people will be mad they bid Avro FO and can't get on the new equipment or upgrade into something else???

Things that make you go Hmmm.
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[smokey999]

Any Saab fo that bid over to the Avro should not have to be reminded they made a poor decision. Unless they are planning on staying at XJ for life.

 

[Dodge]

Any Saab fo that bid over to the Avro should not have to be reminded they are a complete moron. Unless they are planning on staying at XJ for life.

Hey Smokey, I did it. I got 4 more days off per month and completed the 18 month seat lock (old contract rules applied). Since there was no chance of upgrading, i thought it would be a good move. Got some jet experience, saw new sights, met new people. Best thing I did since being at Mesaba and yes many think I am a moron.

 

[smokey999]

I stand corrected. I guess in your situation it wasn't too bad. However, for a 3 yr fo to swap to the Avro recently with a 2 year seatlock, coming of a completed contract, and with Pinnacle going into negotiations, has to not be thinking straight. Just my opinion, and who knows, I'm not in anyones shoes but my own, so I should not be so quick to judge.

 

[Ace McCoy]

I like how the company is saying "ho hum here is a vacancy for 22 new hires. Don't wonder why we are running a super large class. Just move along there is nothing to see here."

 

[T-handle]

If a new aircraft literally shows up next month on property, the training department sure did a nice job hiding the program. Must be some secret rooms 100 feet below the training center.

Otherwise assuming some "announcement" is going to be made in the next few months, we should expect to see the first new (fill in bank) arrive at a minimum 6 months.

 

[CubanSmoker]

Hey guys,
Did you notice on the preview that there are 12 Saab slots going to various bases and 10 Avro? I wonder which one is right... But not that much. With a class of 22 on the way, who cares?

10 Avros / 12 Saabs
12 Avros / 10 Saabs

 

[Monster Buck]

Joe R. use to brag that they could get a new ac up and running in 7 months. Using that as a marker you would need to start training three months proir to the ac delivery for that ac(ca and fo). Prior to that you need to stage over the same time period, three months, new hires to fill the positions for the vac. that occur from the senior people taking the new ac captain position. Assuming the new ac is more desirable than the saab, and they put new hires in the new ac fo positions.(like was done with the Avro)

 

[Monster Buck]

Another note, the reason not to back fill the ca positions like the notice says, tells me that the new ac is probably better than the Saab in pay. They don't want to take the chance that new upgrades on the saab go to training within a year or two to the new ac. The seat lock on the saab upgrade would not apply if the new ac is a higher pay. Leaning me to a good ac delivery rate. Or that mostly saab ca's will take it and not Avro Ca's. With a fast rate of saab ca's taking the new ac that would make the posibility that new saab ca's might hold ca' positions on the new ac in a relitively short time.

 

[JamesD]

Noticed that the class date is the same as the previous vacancy making a total of 28 newhires

 

[fly4ever]

Smokey999,

While it's ok for you to have an opinion it isn't ok that you call someone names for making a personal decision like an aircraft swap. You don't have a clue about their quality of life or plans for the future so why don't you get off of your pedestal and mind your own business.

The latest vacancy with the highlighted notes is a hopeful sign that something is going to improve here soon but that hasn't happened just yet. Hang on tight and be happy that the next class of 28 newhires is scheduled.

Fly

 

[Towelie]

If a new aircraft literally shows up next month on property, the training department sure did a nice job hiding the program. Must be some secret rooms 100 feet below the training center.

Otherwise assuming some "announcement" is going to be made in the next few months, we should expect to see the first new (fill in bank) arrive at a minimum 6 months.

Figure this: If they can get the background stuff done (FAA, financing, NWA, etc.) plugging in training isn't that tough. Usually the first groups get trained by the manufacturer anyway, so they could be through in a month to month and a half and the thing could be flying in under 6 months. That involves many "ifs" though.

I personally hope this doesn't turn out to be a royal hand job. "Oh, we WERE going to get this, but then we backed out. Sorry."

*crosses fingers*

 

[smokey999]

Smokey999,

While it's ok for you to have an opinion it isn't ok that you call someone names for making a personal decision like an aircraft swap. You don't have a clue about their quality of life or plans for the future so why don't you get off of your pedestal and mind your own business.

You're correct, I edited my post. The name calling was childish and I apologize. The point I was trying to get across was...Anyone who did cross over to the Avro knew what they were getting into, and the possibility they may get bypassed, they took the chance knowing it might bite them in the as$.

 

[BAe3100FO]

If an FO goes from SAAB to AVRO,and the 24-month seatlock takes affect...

And then massive growth happens....will he/she be prevented from a chance at upgrade until the seatlock is expired?

 

[Simon Says]

If an FO goes from SAAB to AVRO,and the 24-month seatlock takes affect...

And then massive growth happens....will he/she be prevented from a chance at upgrade until the seatlock is expired?

A loud..........YES

 

[Dodge]

Thus the warning on the vacancy, perhaps.

Smokey...you're still in my cool book. My wife calls me that too.

 

[avrodriver]

This has probably already been discussed somewhere amongst all of the other posts but does anybody wonder about the fact that if the new aircraft is a 70 seater if the future of Mesaba pilots flying the AVRO is secure? Seems like having two 70 seat types doesn't make a whole of sense, but if they were flown by NWA pilots under a J4J or whatever agreement they could instantly have 35 85-seaters. Hopefully all this buzz is for smaller aircraft and the benifits of long awaited growth will be reaped only by XJ pilots.AD

 

[fly4ever]

Smokey,

I appreciate the response and correction. I'm not one of those that have chosen to swap I just think that this pilot group has been through plenty of negative stuff over the past 3+ years and we don't want to add to the pile.

avrodriver,

I'm also concerned that any gain we have in an aircraft will be offset by the loss of the avro. We need to see some growth around here so let's hope for the best.

Respectfully,
Fly

 

[JamesD]

Iwould be more worried about the loss of the saab. With the new weights coming into effect soon and what they found out with ac 106, it might be the saab thats going or both.

 

[AvroJockey]

If a new aircraft literally shows up next month on property, the training department sure did a nice job hiding the program. Must be some secret rooms 100 feet below the training center.
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Actually, spoke to someone that said Steve Lavick's office was recently moved to an inside office with no windows, and that he's locked in there all the time, including weekends.

Just to add to hype, but it's true!

 

[fly4ever]

Then it's true afterall, there is a room in the GO/SOC where someone has the big picture and no one else is allowed to see it.

I guess we'll find out when Steve is allowed to come out with his volleyball and long beard.

Cheers,

Fly

 

[T-handle]

And it's these people that are locked up in windowless rooms that write weekly XJ and SF memos on how to fly out there in the "real world" as opposed to the sim world.

 

[JimBo480]

After a week of rumors over on the NWA board, tonight the company announced they were setting down 24 additional DC-9's (flying 30 less than planned just a few months ago). It looks like you guys are spinning up to fill the void.

Congrats, Jim

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Wow...

That's really too bad for the "9" drivers...

 

[Towelie]

Congrats, Jim

Thanks... although there's not much to celebrate. Even if we grow, I hate to think it is on the backs of the NWA pilots. I was hoping we could grow and you guys could keep getting recalled but I guess that is a pipe dream.

Best of luck to all you guys...

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Exactly... Best of luck to all of NW employees.....

 

[avrodriver]

They might still get recalled....just not to NW. I doubt NWA pilots are going to rollover and watch these spots disappear while Mesaba grows. Who knows maybe the dream of some type of flow thru might happen after all.....now it's just a matter of seeing at what cost. AD

 

[Workin'Stiff]

Hopefully something will be worked out so that we aren't a detrament (sp) to any NW pilots. That's definitely not what we're about. Some sort of arrangement to help us and, hopefully, help them. Ya know, you pat my back and I'll pat yours... That sort of deal.

 

[Jimdandy]

Yes with all this growth coming at NWA and to still have guys and gals on the street really annoys me.

I think the unions need to come together and realize we are all one big team. Me thinks all the good ole boys out their just want their pay so bad they have us slave drivers at the regionals to help subsidize their X wives.

 

[Workin'Stiff]

I don't know if there's any true growth going on at NWA. They're parkin' a bunch of aircraft and people are still on the street... But like Towelie said, we don't really need the growth if it's at the expense of our "brothers and sisters" at NWA.