LAS to open 10 gates in D

[lowecur]

Las Vegas is set to open up 10 additional gates on concouse D in March or April of this year. This has ramifications for both Jetblue and AirTran.

Jetblue will seek to fly many flts into LAS in the next 24 months as they expand in cities east of the Mississippi. My guess is they will fly the 190 direct from SYR, ROC, & BUF, as well as any of the other medium size markets they expand to. It will probably be one flt per day with departures in the evening and a turnaround returning early the next morning. This will give the 190 great utilization similar to the 320. I would think the evening departures would give the 190 a better range as westerly's die down at the end of the day.

AirTran on the other hand doesn't have the range with the 717, but this won't stop them from hubbing people from east of the Mississippi through DFW. I look for a large expansion for them into LAS.

Of course, I'm sure SWA and AWA would want a piece of the expansion also. It will be interesting to see how the airport handles the lobbying efforts.

 

[ivauir]

I'd be surprized (happens all of the time) if we (SWA) went to any gates outside of the "C" concourse. It would be really inconvienient the way that LAS is set up.

 

[lowecur]

I'd be surprized (happens all of the time) if we (SWA) went to any gates outside of the "C" concourse. It would be really inconvienient the way that LAS is set up.

See what you mean, but moving SWA to D would not be out of the question if the growth warrants it. Jetblue, Airtran, & DL could then split C.

 

[JetMonkey]

See what you mean, but moving SWA to D would not be out of the question if the growth warrants it. Jetblue, Airtran, & DL could then split C.

Mr. Insurance dude, you obviously haven't been to Las Juevos lately. Terminal D is where all the bleeding legacys are..(United,USAirways, etc.) SWA has 25 gates in Terminal C maybe more, there's no way they could do that kind of an operation out of Term. D with only 10 gates, neither could we (AWA). Besides, a pax making a conecting flight would have to jump on TWO trains to get over to that side of the airport, totally not practical.

 

[thruthemurk]

My guess is they will fly the 190 direct from SYR, ROC, & BUF, as well as any of the other medium size markets they expand to. It will probably be one flt per day with departures in the evening and a turnaround returning early the next morning. This will give the 190 great utilization similar to the 320. I would think the evening departures would give the 190 a better range as westerly's die down at the end of the day.

You overestimate what the 190 will do. BUF/SYR to LAS is out of the question. DEN and maybe ABQ is the best you will see westbound from these two cities.

 

[lowecur]

You overestimate what the 190 will do. BUF/SYR to LAS is out of the question. DEN and maybe ABQ is the best you will see westbound from these two cities.

Not so sure about that my friend. The 190 is rated at 2200NM, and the 170 is actually doing better than originally rated. BUF is 1721NM & SYR 1836NM. Skirt said she thinks the 190 will safely do 1700. If the plane leaves 8pm when the winds have died down, I think it's possible. Besides the 320 has what a range of 3000NM and it's my understanding they have to stop for fuel once in a while between BOS and the west coast if flying during the day. So never say never.

 

[lowecur]

Mr. Insurance dude, you obviously haven't been to Las Juevos lately. Terminal D is where all the bleeding legacys are..(United,USAirways, etc.) SWA has 25 gates in Terminal C maybe more, there's no way they could do that kind of an operation out of Term. D with only 10 gates, neither could we (AWA). Besides, a pax making a conecting flight would have to jump on TWO trains to get over to that side of the airport, totally not practical.

Mr. Monkey dude, I'm counting the gates listed on the web site for C and it shows 19. Now maybe they made a mistake. Terminal D has 25 gates presently, and is adding 10 more. My thought was that SWA could take the current 25 gates, and let the rest take the 10 new gates and all of C. If the web site is all wet, then so is my arguement.

 

[mach zero]

Not so sure about that my friend. The 190 is rated at 2200NM, and the 170 is actually doing better than originally rated. BUF is 1721NM & SYR 1836NM. Skirt said she thinks the 190 will safely do 1700. If the plane leaves 8pm when the winds have died down, I think it's possible. Besides the 320 has what a range of 3000NM and it's my understanding they have to stop for fuel once in a while between BOS and the west coast if flying during the day. So never say never.

Hmm, I guess that 160 knot westbound headwind we had the other night forgot it was supposed to die down after 8 pm.

I'm curious, is it in the EMB sales brochure that their jets have a greater range at night when the jetstream "dies down"?

 

[lowecur]

Hmm, I guess that 160 knot westbound headwind we had the other night forgot it was supposed to die down after 8 pm.

I'm curious, is it in the EMB sales brochure that their jets have a greater range at night when the jetstream "dies down"?

Alright smart ass, I'm sure there are exceptions. Now go ahead and tell me there is no difference in the headwinds during the daytime, then I'll shut up.

 

[AutoBus]

Not so sure about that my friend. The 190 is rated at 2200NM, and the 170 is actually doing better than originally rated. BUF is 1721NM & SYR 1836NM. Skirt said she thinks the 190 will safely do 1700. If the plane leaves 8pm when the winds have died down, I think it's possible. Besides the 320 has what a range of 3000NM and it's my understanding they have to stop for fuel once in a while between BOS and the west coast if flying during the day. So never say never.

What jibberish is this? Since when does the jetstream "die down" at 8pm? clearly written by someone who has never flown in the jetstream.

There are no good alternates real close to LAS, so plan on lots of extra fuel during Thunderstorm season.

Sure the plane "might" be able to fly 2200nm, but with what kind of passenger load?

 

[AutoBus]

Alright smart ass, I'm sure there are exceptions. Now go ahead and tell me there is no difference in the headwinds during the daytime, then I'll shut up.

Are you serious? maybe there is a difference for your C-172 heavy at FL030.

 

[lowecur]

What jibberish is this? Since when does the jetstream "die down" at 8pm? clearly written by someone who has never flown in the jetstream.

There are no good alternates real close to LAS, so plan on lots of extra fuel during Thunderstorm season.

Sure the plane "might" be able to fly 2200nm, but with what kind of passenger load?

I'm learning. So there is no fuel advantage to flying out west at 8 pm from say 12 noon? That my friend is hard to believe with the sun creating higher winds both at the surface and up to 35,000 ft.

The 2200nm is perfect conditions, and that's why I mentioned the 1700 figure. If B6 is willing to push the envelope on the Boston to west coast routes, they certainly could look to do the same on the evening routes to LAS.

 

[lowecur]

Are you serious? maybe there is a difference for your C-172 heavy at FL030.

I don't fly. I'm an amateur analcyst, and part time insurance agent.

 

[xanderman]

Low,

Maybe you should explore aviation weather 101. You are really shooting yourself in the foot... Autobus is serious. Are you?

 

[JetMonkey]

Man, you've really stepped out of your delusionary boundaries this time.

 

[lowecur]

Low,

Maybe you should explore aviation weather 101. You are really shooting yourself in the foot... Autobus is serious. Are you?

Of course I'm serious, and I'm also getting an education. I'm obviously not a pilot, but I know the Jetstream is usually around 35,000 ft. I assume the answer is the windspeed is constant no matter what time of day it is. Next question: Can you fly below the Jetstream and pick up more range that way? Does flying at 28,000 ft reduce the range as opposed to 35,000?

 

[AutoBus]

Of course I'm serious, and I'm also getting an education. I'm obviously not a pilot, but I know the Jetstream is usually around 35,000 ft. I assume the answer is the windspeed is constant no matter what time of day it is. Next question: Can you fly below the Jetstream and pick up more range that way? Does flying at 28,000 ft reduce the range as opposed to 35,000?

Nice try, the cost is fuel economy. End result, you might get there sooner, but the range will likely be LESS than flying than at the higher altitude with the higher headwinds.

 

[LoveGun]

The lower you fly, the higher your fuel burn. Depending on wind speed, you might be better off fighting a headwind at high altitude than burning more gas down low. I imagine those E190 range numbers you saw were predicated on flying higher than 28,000. It would be awesome if jblue could fly a E190 from BUF to LAS, but I doubt it is possible. As a pilot, I would like to see new markets like that open.

 

[mach zero]

We saw around 120kts at FL240 last week (at night even). This time of year, the jetstream can be very low. Much lower than a jet flying east coast to west would want to fly for fuel economy reasons.

 

[DougCorp-9]

Would you people please stop egging this fu.king moron on. This is ridiculous.