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IMHO articles like this and the writers and pilots that perpetuate this type of nonsense are just another reason why this career path is going down the toilet...

Dream job

BY THOMAS B. HAINES (From AOPA Pilot, March 2006.)
Like many middle-aged pilots, Editor in Chief Thomas B. Haines sometimes wonders what life might have been like flying for the airlines.
[SIZE=+2]A[/SIZE]njea White describes her job with words such as "Amazing. It's awesome." "It's everything I've dreamed of." "I love what I do."
Attribute some of her enthusiasm to youth, perhaps. She turned 31 last month. Or to the newness of her role. She started the job less than a year ago. But even taking that into consideration, one gets the impression that she is in it for the long haul. The aviation bug has bitten hard; she's seriously infected by the "I must fly" disease.
To get to the right seat of a regional jet, she gave up a good paying job in pharmaceutical sales. She now lives in a Houston crash pad — that's pilot speak for a rental house shared by a group of pilots who fly out of a location, but don't really live there. Think of it as just one step up from your average frat house; room after room with bunk beds stacked floor to ceiling. When she has a few days off she uses her airline pass privileges to fly home to Iowa to stay with her parents. Meanwhile, she's building a house near Houston.
White's route to the right seat of an airliner is not atypical these days. Rather than grizzled ex-military pilots or fresh-faced college kids, by some reports as many as 30 percent of today's starting airline pilots have begun a career in another field and then chucked it all because when you love to fly, no other job will do.
White grew up in Des Moines, Iowa, and earned a business degree with a minor in economics from the University of Oregon. Her first job was handing out gold medals at the 1996 summer Olympics in Atlanta. That short-lived position led her to Arizona where she worked in sales. Acting on her love of travel, she also began working part-time for Frontier Airlines in ticketing and baggage. The job didn't pay much, but it came with an airline pass, allowing her to travel at will. She later sold real estate and soon linked up with Northwest Airlines, still slinging bags and punching tickets part-time. A chance to work in sales for a technology company led her to San Francisco. Northwest needed help at nearby San Jose International Airport, so she kept the part-time job and continued with the travel.
Somewhere among all of the airline travel and working at the airport, she began to wonder what it would be like to fly the airplane, rather than just sit in the back. Every trip to the airport fanned that glowing ember, and she imagined herself moving from the ramp to the cockpit.
About then came the lucrative pharmaceutical sales job. Could she give it all up, take a year — maybe years — off to learn to fly, all in hopes of getting an airline job, and one that, at least to start, would pay far less than the sales job?
Single, age 27, a supportive family, and no mortgage. Yes, you can. And she did.
Back to school

After evaluating a number of schools, White decided on Delta Connection Academy in Sanford, Florida, just north of Orlando. The flourishing school is owned by Delta Airlines and has a good reputation for placing many of its graduates with major and regional airlines. In fact, according to Tom Montgomery, the academy's president, 100 percent of the students who worked as CFIs for the academy ended up with airline jobs in 2004; late in 2005, the school was on track for the same record. Like many other such schools Delta Connection Academy (DCA) has agreements with numerous airlines to guarantee interviews for students who meet certain criteria. The school also operates five satellite locations affiliated with a number of colleges throughout the South and East.
White arrived at DCA's Sanford headquarters with no flight time, which is not unusual, according to Montgomery. About a year later, White had earned all of the ratings she would need to begin an airline career, including an instrument flight instructor certificate. She waited about five months for a CFII job at DCA to open up and then instructed for about a year. Like other candidates, she then took the DCA "bridge" course that teaches students to fly a regional jet simulator with an electronic flight instrumentation system (EFIS) in it. White said the crew resource management and EFIS training in the bridge course gave her a great deal of confidence when she was hired by ExpressJet and began flying the Embraer ERJ-145 airliner. "New hires who hadn't been through a bridge course felt a lot more intimidated than I did when we first started flying the glass," she said.
According to Montgomery, White's experience at DCA is fairly typical. A zero-time student usually takes about 11 months to complete the curriculum and then instructs at DCA until they have 700 to 1,100 hours. At that point they take the bridge course and then head off for an airline job.
Officials at Aviation Information Resources, Inc., an Atlanta company that provides career resources to prospective airline pilots, predict that 41 percent of all major airline pilot jobs will be opening in the next decade. Because of the requirement to retire at age 60, some 36,000 pilots will retire in the next 15 years. This does not include any positions created by the forecast growth in airline travel.
Enthusiasm abounds

The airline careers these fresh recruits jump into are far different than what the gray beards faced when they were young. Back in the 1970s when I was a kid, guys — they were all guys then — flying internationally for the airlines were pulling down salaries of $100,000, and they only worked a few days a month. That was an enormous sum in those days. Impressionable kids such as I thought that would be a wonderful career. As recently as a few years ago, a pilot for a major airline flying a widebody jet internationally could make $300,000 — a healthy salary by today's standards, but less than $100,000 when you figure inflation over the last 30 or 35 years. Today, however, with most major airlines on the brink — if not over the brink — of bankruptcy, the average salary of a captain flying the largest airliners is $171,732, according to AIR, Inc. The captain of a widebody at United Airlines, for example, makes about $171,000; as recently as 2002 that figure was just over $300,000. In addition, the once-rich pension plans offered by most airlines have been decimated. Pilots have definitely done their fair share to help the airlines through their economic troubles.
With all of the pilot furloughs we hear about from the major airlines, one might wonder how there can be openings for new hires. Most of the growth comes from the commuter and regional carriers providing connections to the majors. In an effort to reduce costs — or shift costs to subsidiaries and partners — the majors have encouraged use of the new breed of small jet airliners, the regional jets. These lower cost carriers hire new lower cost pilots — typically. Industry officials report that furloughed pilots from the majors often aren't interested in flying for the regional carriers because they would have to give up their seniority position at the major to accept the new job. The regional carrier doesn't want to spend a lot of money training furloughed pilots to fly RJs only to have them leave for the major airlines if jobs open up. In addition, accepting a regional job may require furloughed pilots to move their families; and the pay is often significantly less than they would make from the major carriers. For furloughed pilots, hope springs eternal that they will get their old jobs back, and many ultimately do. The airlines hired 10,500 pilots last year; 2,500 of them at the majors, according to AIR, Inc. Some furloughed pilots, however, have become so frustrated with the airline industry that they have abandoned their careers altogether, preferring to work in a more stable industry.
While the airline economics of the last couple of decades have played havoc on the dreams of a generation of pilots, it doesn't stop the enthusiasm of youth from the likes of Anjea White. Like many others who love to fly, she may be content to stay at the regional carriers indefinitely, forgoing the usual path from regional to major.
For now, though, she looks forward to every flight in her new career, starting a trip from her Houston base and heading for points in Mexico, Canada, and the U.S. "One day I might fly into Mexico and that night I might be in Toronto or Newark. Every day is different. It's really fun." How can you argue with that?


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Yeah heaven forbid someone actually enjoys their job :rolleyes: . The only thing about the article that struck me was her quote about new hires being intimidated by glass cockpits. Those with real-world experience, instead of buying a dry-run ground school, do just fine.
 
Good for her.
 
I know her, not well, but I've had conversations with her at our current employer. She's a good person and nice too.

So if any douche bags want to flame her over this article, you are a dork.
 
No flames from me. I think we were all excited about flying like that at one time. Hope she doesn't get it beaten out of her over time.
 
"She now lives in a Houston crash pad — that's pilot speak for a rental house shared by a group of pilots who fly out of a location, but don't really live there."

Does anyone else see the contradiction in this sentence?
 
GogglesPisano said:
"She now lives in a Houston crash pad — that's pilot speak for a rental house shared by a group of pilots who fly out of a location, but don't really live there."

Does anyone else see the contradiction in this sentence?

I mostly live in hotels when I'm on a trip, which is pilot speak for a crappy place you stay on an overnight.

Any details on the TA yet? Glad you guys got that crap sorted out over there. Would have sucked balls to take a second job evaporation in a 12 month span
 
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Back to school

After evaluating a number of schools, Whitey decided on DCA in Florida, just north of Orlando. The flourishing school is owned by Delta Airlines, which means EVERYTHING, and has a good reputation for placing many of its "graduates" with "major" and regional airlines. In fact, according to the academy's president, 100 percent of the students who worked as CFIs for the academy ended up broke in 2004; late in 2005, the school was on track for the same record. Like many other such schools DCA has agreements with numerous airlines to guarantee interviews for students who don't know any better. The school also operates five satellite locations affiliated with a number of colleges throughout the South and East.
Whitey arrived at DCA's Sanford headquarters with no flight time, which is not unusual, according to Montgomery. About a year later and totally broke, Whitey had earned all of the ratings she would need to begin an "airline" career, including an instrument flight instructor certificate. She waited about five years for a CFII job at DCA to open up and then instructed for about a month. Like other candidates, she then took the DCA "bridge" course that teaches students to fly a Barbie fun jet simulator with an electronic flight instrumentation system (EFIS) in it. (Oh boy). Whitey said the crew resource management and EFIS training in the bridge course made her so darned confused when she was hired by ExpressJet and began flying the Embraer ERJ-145 airliner. "New hires who hadn't been through a cool DCA bridge course felt a lot more intimidated than I did when we first started flying the glass," she said.
According to Montgomery, Whitey's experience at DCA is fairly normal. A zero-time student usually takes about 116 months to complete the curriculum and then instructs at DCA until they have 700 to 1,100 dollars left in their bank account. At that point they take it up the arse and then head off for an "airline" job.
Officials at Air, Inc., an Atlanta company that provides career resources to unsuspecting fools, predict that 41 percent of all "major" airline pilot jobs will be opening in the next decade. Because of the requirement to retire at age 60, some 36,000 pilots will retire in the next 15 years. This does not include any positions created by the destruction of scope clauses at pretty much every legacy carrier."
 
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My biggest problem with this article is that the author is profiling someone who just started out not only in this current job but someone who just recently got into this field all together. How can that person be a good pulse for what this job and industry is really like???? No offense to her but she doesn't have a clue what this job is really like. Hell if she's anything like the rest of the new hires at XJet she probably hasn't even gotten beyond the reserve rules of our contract yet.

Seriously if some writer for AOPA wonders what his life would have been like flying airliners then why doesn't he go find several seasoned airline pilots and profile one or all of them. I'm sure their view of the job wouldn't be so rosey. They would tell you that it's a job just like any other, the office view may be better, but it's still just a job none the less. They would probably also tell you that if you want to go flying for fun, go rent a Cub.

Maybe he wanted an easy story and an easy mark, someone who is so new and so green that even a 16 hour duty day doesn't seem that bad. But he's just sugar coating the truth.

I love flying with new hires. Other than the fact that their landings suck, their enthusiasm is refreshing and makes me long for the day when I viewed the job that way. But the truth is that after a while it is no longer the type of flying that people fell in love with. 121 flying is regimented and restrictive. There's no fun to be had in that.

So great now we have a whole new group of wanna be's that just read this article and said to themselves "sweet, that's what I wanna do....."
 
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The article mentioned senior airline Captain salaries, but made no mention of what this person's first year pay would be.

Things that make you go HMMMMM...................... :erm:
 
Snap

Yea, I'll bite. Problem with these articles is it perpetuates a fantasy world of everything is just peachy when alot of crap is going on throughout the industry. So more borderline people who are thinking aviation versus maybe some other career get the idea after reading it that hey, wow, golly gee that made up my mind. No mention of holidays lost (Christmas in Beaumont or pick your crappy town), missed events, furloughs, near furloughs, Johnny Ornstein, scabs and wannabe scabs (hojets), massive student loans versus pathetic beginning wages, etc. etc. etc. I sure hope that's in next month's issue because we don't need a larger crop of new pilots to take care of the so called "shortage of pilots." Wait, AOPA wants more people to join the training ranks (more money from flight training advertisers). Mutha F'ing for the love of awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
 
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Fly2Scuba said:
Yea, I'll bite. Problem with these articles is it perpetuates a fantasy world of everything is just peachy when alot of crap is going on throughout the industry. So more borderline people who are thinking aviation versus maybe some other career get the idea after reading it that hey, wow, golly gee that made up my mind. No mention of holidays lost (Christmas in Beaumont or pick your crappy town), missed events, furloughs, near furloughs, Johnny Ornstein, scabs and wannabe scabs (hojets), massive student loans versus pathetic beginning wages, etc. etc. etc. I sure hope that's in next month's issue because we don't need a larger crop of new pilots to take care of the so called "shortage of pilots." Wait, AOPA wants more people to join the training ranks (more money from flight training advertisers). Mutha F'ing for the love of awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.

Nail on the head amigo nail on the head.

Encourage well to do profesionals to give up a good 5+ years in a career field to take an entry level peon job. Oh but don't forget... give 60k to one of our advertisers first. Its cool sell your house. Pay the extra 20k+ for direct track.
 
One year later

How bout interviewing her a year from now after CAL has taken those 69 jets and given them to Mesa. Now she's furloughed and is trying to find a way to pay the mortgage on that house she just built. Will she go to Mesa/Colgan/Republic so she can continue to "live the dream"? Or will she go back to making good money in pharmaceuticals and just leave aviation behind? Problem is she probably had no idea what she was getting into. DCA sure as heck wasn't going to tell her about how JO and GohJets are doing their best to bring down already rediculously low pilot salaries, or how the emergence of 70-100 seat "RJs" is eliminating the major airline jobs that most regional pilots are "paying their dues" in pursuit of. I guess somehow there needs to be some sort of grassroots educational campaign to let people know just what is happening to the piloting profession. Seems the general public still believes pilots are over-paid primma-donnas who work 5 days a month and spend the rest of the time on the beach in bora-bora sipping mai tais.
 
Peter Brady said:
The article mentioned senior airline Captain salaries, but made no mention of what this person's first year pay would be.

Things that make you go HMMMMM...................... :erm:

I noticed that too.

Keep in mind DCA spends upwards of $8k+ per full color, full page ad in Flight Training. I bet AOPA is just trying to keep that money flowing by publishing this article...

More students, more advertising $$...
 
wheelsup said:
I noticed that too.

Keep in mind DCA spends upwards of $8k+ per full color, full page ad in Flight Training. I bet AOPA is just trying to keep that money flowing by publishing this article...

More students, more advertising $$...

And they keep using that same picture of the academy's graduates, the same picture from god knows when.....along with their job placement rates, with a huge asteric by it.

I also like SDCFI's idea. Interview this person one year from now and see if she feels the same way. If she does, then good for. However, I'll go out on a limb and say she will not feel the same way.
 
Peter Brady said:
And they keep using that same picture of the academy's graduates, the same picture from god knows when.....along with their job placement rates, with a huge asteric by it.

The sad part is, when that photo was taken, which contains the person this thread is sort of about, it was a class picture so to speak. It wasn't a promotional photo.

I think those students should go back and sue the school over any royalties they might be able to reap for using their image in an advertising campaign.
 
MJG said:
Seriously if some writer for AOPA wonders what his life would have been like flying airliners then why doesn't he go find several seasoned airline pilots and profile one or all of them. I'm sure their view of the job wouldn't be so rosey.

Amen. Have Tom talk to a junior guy on the bottom 5% of the USAirways senority list. Probably 47 years old, used to be a junior 75 captain making $210, now is a 73 FO making half that, pension gone, screwed over in the America West deal.

I think this article was pretty good, more balanced than most - not many detail the salary erosion that has occurred in the last 5 years. But it's still misleading in that they are talking about major airline salaries in an article about a regional pilot.
 
Sweet! So she's making $171,000 and only living in a crash pad while she builds her new house! This is in between the occasional travel to exotic locations while flying a jet! Where do I sign up?
 

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