Lahso

[avbug]

I believe Amish Rakefight did address your question when the basic tenets of the LAHSO clearance were covered. Student pilots are barred from conducting LAHSO for safety reasons. The pilot always has the option of rejecting the clearance, for safety reasons. One can still execute a go-around at any time, for safety reasons. One must be sure, when accepting the clearance, one can get stopped for safety reasons. The weather must be adequate enough to conduct LAHSO for safety reasons. And the clearance must be read back just like a hold short clearance on the ground, you guessed it...for reasons of safety.

Many operators do not permit LAHSO. I've personally rejected LAHSO based on OpSpec limitations, and other times when I've been permitted and I've found conditions favorable, I've accepted the clearance.

I've flown a Cessna Caravan, dropping jumpers, when the pattern began at 18,000' over the runway and ended on the numbers with a LAHSO and a landing roll so short it would make a midget blush without difficulty. Conversely, on a blustery day with a wet runway and a higher approach speed in windshear, accepting a LAHSO may not be in my best interest and I may reject it. The conditions, type of operation, runway, traffic density, pilot proficiency, aircraft, and a host of other factors dictate when it is safe, and also when it is legal.

As we all know, what is safe may not be lega, but what is legal may not be safe. If it isn't both safe and legal, it shouldn't be happening.

 

[minitour]

OTOH a LAHSO clearance can attempt to take your 10,000' runway and turn it into a 7,000' runway so a 172 can taxi across at his leisure. Sorry, ain't gonna happen.

I'll keep that in mind the next time they try to turn my 10,000' runway into a 7,000' runway so a lear can taxi across at his leisure too.

"Negative, bugsmasher 123 needs the full length"

-mini

 

[Gorilla]

I'll keep that in mind the next time they try to turn my 10,000' runway into a 7,000' runway so a lear can taxi across at his leisure too.

"Negative, bugsmasher 123 needs the full length"

-mini

I'm not trying to slam GA; I love light aircraft. You and I both know that concrete requirements are wildly different. If I'm putting along in my Grumman, I will do whatever is needed within safe bounds to expedite commercial jet traffic. Why should I make a jet that is burning 1,000 gallons per hour, flown by guys trying to make a profit, and carrying 50 to 300 people on a schedule, go around or do a 360? My 7GPH of MOGAS just doesn't cost me that much.

 

[minitour]

I'm not trying to slam GA; I love light aircraft.

I misunderstood you then.
I think it was the blanket statement of

OTOH a LAHSO clearance can attempt to take your 10,000' runway and turn it into a 7,000' runway so a 172 can taxi across at his leisure. Sorry, ain't gonna happen.

that turned me off. I know as well as you that sometimes...yes...sometimes...the big guys don't even need 7,000' to stop. If your intent was that if you need 10,000' or if 7,000' is going to be close (ie have to do almost everything right) then by all means...take the full length, I'll sit and let my pax be awed at the sight of you rolling out through 50kts as you pass the intersection. But if you can take a shorter runway, please do. I've been a believer in karma lately...I scratch your back and eventually someone will be helping me out too.

JMHO

-mini

 

[G100driver]

the guys I flew with at the airlines did not accept them (especially if the plane they were trying to help out was Mesa)

I never accept them either and announce to ATC that we will not participate in LAHSO. That is, do not have someone LAHS in front of our runway.

I am in BUR too often while airplane are using 15 and 8. Yikes!!! Too many moron's out there and I do not know who to trust.

Slow things down, maybe. Ask me if I care.

 

[mdanno808]

I haven't been in or out of KLAS in a long time, but it used to scare the hell out of me that they had two different tower frequencies for the different runways.

 

[Seadogrun]

I never accept them either and announce to ATC that we will not participate in LAHSO. That is, do not have someone LAHS in front of our runway.

I am in BUR too often while airplane are using 15 and 8. Yikes!!! Too many moron's out there and I do not know who to trust.

Slow things down, maybe. Ask me if I care.

Is there any way to avoid aircraft LAHSO your runway when you are landing full length?

I understand the concerns of Lahso and runway incursions, but is there really any way to protect yourself from someone blowing through your runway? Refusing LAHSO only keeps you from needing to stop, which is fine, but won't protect someone elses poorly performed LAHSO from entering your runway.