Labor should look at the Ryan Air pay/benefits

[Dumb Pilot]

The cost of living in Europe is much higher than it is in North America. After you factor in the higher tax rates, I would wager that one would maintain a standard of living equal or lower than a Capt at any US LCC.

Like here in the US, it depends on where you live. If you want to live in the center of Paris, it will run you quite a bit of money. Just like if you wanted to live in San Francisco or Manhattan

If you compare our taxes including ALL costs (Medical costs/ family) We are paying more money than Europeans.

Show me a lower standard of living than that of somebody (making less than a regional captain) flying for Virgin or Skybus.uke:

There are some that hang up the phone when they called for an interview and told how much they paid. But there are others sending E-mails to them all the time trying to get in.

You know why their pay is that low? Because some are willing to do it

 

[cruxx@9]

Be careful with the what labor should look at. The pay isn't the only thing to see in a job. Even if the pay is really great, everything else may really suck! The hidden crap like no pay the first month or more, paying for uniforms, training etc. That may exactly be what management wants to do.

I don't know anyone personally at Ryanair, but I do know some european pilots and they say that Ryanair is the WORST place to work. Pay ain't everything.

A couple of years ago our (previous) management wanted to give us a "pay raise". Basically it was we'll pay you more, but you'll work a lot more. So like stated above, on paper it looked great. But if you have to work twice as hard and loose some benies, it ain't a pay raise anymore.

Like here in the US, it depends on where you live. If you want to live in the center of Paris, it will run you quite a bit of money. Just like if you wanted to live in San Francisco or Manhattan

If you compare our taxes including ALL costs (Medical costs/ family) We are paying more money than Europeans.

Most companies in europe talk "after tax" net pay. Do you know if this is the case here?

I have to agree, most places in europe are close to 30% taxes. Not much different than I pay here in the US. Now at the end of the year with the tax rules and breaks it isn't exactly 30% anymore. But I pay another 10% or so for medical insurance, not to mention co pays and medications.

What you get in Europe for your 30% is paid medical, great public transportation, etc. A bigger bang for their tax dollar.

However, they don't have any aircraft carriers

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If you have ALPA intranet access you can go on the website under events and look at the 2006 BOD.. there is a symposium of international speakers from the EU who discuss Ryan Air....

 

[Beetle007]

Yes, Ryan Air sucks. But, Skybus is even worse from what I have seen on their website.

 

[AV80R]

Captains - Up to £100,000 ($197,500)
First Officers - Up to £70,000 ($138,250)

And the Euro is nowhere near 1.975 right now. More accurate dollar amounts would be 135K and 94.5K

$ - US dollar
£ - UK pound
€ - EU euro

I know, all those funny letters get confusing...