Labor should look at the Ryan Air pay/benefits

[Beetle007]

Ryan Air pay/benefits

All of these new startups like to brag at how they are copying Ryan Air. Labor should show them the Ryan Air pay/benefits. These new airlines in the U.S. are even worse than Ryan Air.

What’s on offer – 5 reasons to become a Ryanair Pilot

1. Outstanding Earnings Potential
Ryanair Pilots are recognised as the best paid short haul pilots in Europe. Senior pilots in Ryanair have excellent remuneration packages as follows:


Captains - Up to £100,000 ($197,500)
First Officers - Up to £70,000 ($138,250)

At Ryanair there are no seniority lists and there are no complicated salary scales, you can expect to reach these amounts in 3 – 5 years, with more if you take on a line training role.

2. Fixed Roster Pattern
Ryanair Pilots enjoy a stable 5 on, 4 off roster pattern comprising a week of early shifts followed by a week of late shifts. This offers our Pilots fixed days off and an ability to plan their time off which is unique in aviation. Rosters are published 4 weeks in advance.

3. Home every night
At Ryanair there are no planned overnights. If you are based at Rome-Ciampino you will start and end your day at Rome-Ciampino, barring of course technical problems or exceptional circumstances. Combined with our stable roster pattern this delivers a unique quality of life for Ryanair pilots.

4. Unrivalled Career Progression
With our aircraft deliveries and expansion plans first officers can expect to enter the command evaluation process within three years. We are also currently recruiting for Direct Entry Fast Track Command positions; first officers with more than 3,000 total hours and 500 hours on type can apply for a fast track command position, you can enter the command evaluation process after 6 months flying as a Ryanair First Officer. We also have Line Training / TRE / TRI positions available.

5. Share Options Scheme
We believe that our pilots should share in the success of the company and that’s why we have operated a share options scheme which has so far delivered individual gains of over €250,000 to Ryanair pilots since we floated on the Stock Exchange in 1997.

 

[temcgrew]

Pay wise that is great but the pilots at Ryan also have to pay for Initial and Recurrent training. They also hire captains off the street and are looking for some RIGHT NOW. When will F/O's upgrade when they hire off the street.

If you use the word "model after" loosely it works.

Home every night and the 5 on 4 off works well.

 

[Beetle007]

The reason I posted this is so that labor can point to it when managment says they need to be more like Ryan Air.

Skybus is a far cry (in the wrong direction) from Ryan Air.

 

[bigboeings]

This is also the same company who prohibited the employees from charging their cell phones on "company" electricity!

 

[c9skytrain]

This was posted on another thread in LCC.

I personally live and fly for a living in Ireland and I can tell you that RyanAir has really hurt the profession. RyanAir expects their pilots to pay for their own training, these pilots don't get paid during their training or for the first three months on line. Once they fly their max hours for the year they are put on unpaid leave until the next year. The pilots have to pay for their own uniforms as well as their IAA medicals which can cost up to 600 euros. Their pay looks good but after all the expenses it really is crap. RyanAir likes to hire the very low time fo's where I work because they are willing to work for peanuts. Don't be fooled, Skybus will hurt your career in the US.

I don't think Ryanair is all it has cracked up to be. I know of a guy who was based in Shannon, got a call one night and told to be at Dublin at 0600 for a flight. Now it is about a 2.5 hour drive from shannon to Dublin. He pointed out that it would be very hard to do and be rested, they told him to show up or be fired. He never showed.

 

[temcgrew]

Your avatar is a good example of someone flying without proper crew rest!

 

[Beetle007]

This is also the same company who prohibited the employees from charging their cell phones on "company" electricity!

Let me correct myself, I wasnt encouraging anyone to go to Ryan Air.

I am trying to encourage Ryan Air wannabee airlines like Skybus to at least provide pay and benefits similar to Ryan Air. And the pilots of those airlines should fight for it.

 

[tyuwerty]

Captains - Up to £100,000 ($197,500)
First Officers - Up to £70,000 ($138,250)

The cost of living in Europe is much higher than it is in North America. After you factor in the higher tax rates, I would wager that one would maintain a standard of living equal or lower than a Capt at any US LCC.

 

[Floyd R. Turbo]

And the Euro is nowhere near 1.975 right now. More accurate dollar amounts would be 135K and 94.5K

 

[tyuwerty]

And the Euro is nowhere near 1.975 right now. More accurate dollar amounts would be 135K and 94.5K

£ = British Pound

100,000.00 GBP = 198,445.93 USD


He was pretty close with the conversion.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

The cost of living in Europe is much higher than it is in North America. After you factor in the higher tax rates, I would wager that one would maintain a standard of living equal or lower than a Capt at any US LCC.

Like here in the US, it depends on where you live. If you want to live in the center of Paris, it will run you quite a bit of money. Just like if you wanted to live in San Francisco or Manhattan

If you compare our taxes including ALL costs (Medical costs/ family) We are paying more money than Europeans.

Show me a lower standard of living than that of somebody (making less than a regional captain) flying for Virgin or Skybus.uke:

There are some that hang up the phone when they called for an interview and told how much they paid. But there are others sending E-mails to them all the time trying to get in.

You know why their pay is that low? Because some are willing to do it

 

[cruxx@9]

Be careful with the what labor should look at. The pay isn't the only thing to see in a job. Even if the pay is really great, everything else may really suck! The hidden crap like no pay the first month or more, paying for uniforms, training etc. That may exactly be what management wants to do.

I don't know anyone personally at Ryanair, but I do know some european pilots and they say that Ryanair is the WORST place to work. Pay ain't everything.

A couple of years ago our (previous) management wanted to give us a "pay raise". Basically it was we'll pay you more, but you'll work a lot more. So like stated above, on paper it looked great. But if you have to work twice as hard and loose some benies, it ain't a pay raise anymore.

Like here in the US, it depends on where you live. If you want to live in the center of Paris, it will run you quite a bit of money. Just like if you wanted to live in San Francisco or Manhattan

If you compare our taxes including ALL costs (Medical costs/ family) We are paying more money than Europeans.

Most companies in europe talk "after tax" net pay. Do you know if this is the case here?

I have to agree, most places in europe are close to 30% taxes. Not much different than I pay here in the US. Now at the end of the year with the tax rules and breaks it isn't exactly 30% anymore. But I pay another 10% or so for medical insurance, not to mention co pays and medications.

What you get in Europe for your 30% is paid medical, great public transportation, etc. A bigger bang for their tax dollar.

However, they don't have any aircraft carriers

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

If you have ALPA intranet access you can go on the website under events and look at the 2006 BOD.. there is a symposium of international speakers from the EU who discuss Ryan Air....

 

[Beetle007]

Yes, Ryan Air sucks. But, Skybus is even worse from what I have seen on their website.

 

[AV80R]

Captains - Up to £100,000 ($197,500)
First Officers - Up to £70,000 ($138,250)

And the Euro is nowhere near 1.975 right now. More accurate dollar amounts would be 135K and 94.5K

$ - US dollar
£ - UK pound
€ - EU euro

I know, all those funny letters get confusing...