KSMO crash

[FlyingPieceOfSt]

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/29/us/california-plane-crash/?hpt=hp_t2

No survivors.

 

[lowtimedriver]

Thrust reverser failure? Debris on the runway prior to the jet veering off into the hangar.

 

[Aeronca123]

Looks like the hangar where Jerry Sienfeld keeps his Porches.

 

[ProFracPilot]

Thrust reverser failure? Debris on the runway prior to the jet veering off into the hangar.

I don't think a CJ has thrust reversers.

 

[LegacyDriver]

I don't think a CJ has thrust reversers.

Some have thrust deflectors I believe....

 

[Wankel7]

Looks like they are saying the CEO , his son, and one other employee was on board.

The CEO mark may have been the pilot...he had private multi inst and a 525 type.

http://morleybuilders.com/

Rip

 

[lowtimedriver]

Some have thrust deflectors I believe....

yeah, I meant to say thrust attenuators......

 

[BoilerUP]

This airplane would have had attenuators as its a "straight" CJ2, but something went WAY wrong not involving the little flappy thingies on the back of the engines...

 

[LegacyDriver]

This airplane would have had attenuators as its a "straight" CJ2, but something went WAY wrong not involving the little flappy thingies on the back of the engines...

Yeah, those don't strike me as having much yaw authority.

 

[lowtimedriver]

I talked with someone who knows people on the Santa Monica Airport Commission this morning. The number one theory is that the pilot was high, long and fast and tried to land when he should have aborted breaking off one of the main gears and then the plane veered off the runway and impacted the hangar. He said its speculatory, but is the number one theory presently.

 

[skiandsurf]

It happened at 620pm. Right into the sunset. Might have been a factor.

 

[Jetdriver69]

Or it could have been a pilot with inadequate experience flying a high performance aircraft that got away from him. It is easy to Monday morning quarterback, but if he was indeed high, fast and long, then a go round was really the only option. An experienced pilot may have been able to semi safely salvage this situation. I hope the CEO wasn't the sole pilot on the aircraft! The NTSB will have a field day with the findings, causes and recommendations on the final accident report.

 

[guido411]

I talked with someone who knows people on the Santa Monica Airport Commission this morning. The number one theory is that the pilot was high, long and fast and tried to land when he should have aborted breaking off one of the main gears and then the plane veered off the runway and impacted the hangar. He said its speculatory, but is the number one theory presently.

Not saying the theory is wrong, but how hard do you have to impact to break off a main leg on a CJ? It's just not something that happens often enough to induce a number one theory very often. If that's what happened... Yikes.

 

[BoilerUP]

but how hard do you have to impact to break off a main leg on a CJ?

Very, very, VERY hard...

 

[lowtimedriver]

NTSB Preliminary Report:

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=20130930X32148&key=1

 

[jonjuan]

Interesting

On-scene examination of the wreckage and runway revealed that there was no airplane debris on the runway. The three landing gear tires were inflated and exhibited no unusual wear patterns. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) control tower local controller reported that the pilot did not express over the radio any problems prior to or during the landing.

 

[splatt]

Hmmmm? Possible break failure, is what I'm left with...

 

[LJ45]

Hmmmm? Possible break failure, is what I'm left with...

whats a "break" failure? or did you mean brake :erm:

 

[filejw]

whats a "break" failure? or did you mean brake :erm:

Depends on what Autofill wants to do...LOL