King Air SIC time

[flx757]

it is very cut and dried, If the aircraft is certtified for 2 pilots or is operated under a part (i.e. 135 or ops specs that require a SIC in lieu of an autopilot, and you have received the required training specified in CFR 14 Part 61.55, thenyou may log SIC time.

Tje keys are an SIC is required if the flight is operated under a Part of the CFR of the Ops Spes of the company (insurance requirements, etc. don't count), and you have recieved the required training specified in 61.55, then you may log SIC time. Otherswise, if you do, be prepared to explain how and why you were think you were legal to do so.

 

[charlie1]

Listen junior pilots (less than 2000 hrs). don't try to beat the system by fudging your hours. sic, pic, widebody (Challenger)-NOT, heavy iron (Gulfstream)-NOT, those terms are used by professionals that actually fly those type of planes in the legal capacity of sic or pic. while i'm on the subject let me clarify a few things for those who pound their chests about the aircraft you fly! widebody aircraft: 767 being the smallets "widebody", DC-10, L-1011, 777, 747's. are you getting it now. Heavy iron: anything over 255,000 lbs as per the AIM, 757, DC-8, 767, 777, and the famous 747. a king air does not require sic. to log sic you don't have to be sole manipulator of the controls. if you are the designated sic for that flight on your dispatch release you can log all the time as sic including total time, multiengine time, even if you don't touch the controls on that flight. read up on your FAR's. and put your time in just like everyone else. by attempting to cheat your way into the cockpit by logging "sic" time you are only making it difficult for the captain that has to baby sit you when and if you fall through the cracks of the selection process. by the way, there is no difference between a 402C and a 402B model aircraft. to the real airline professionals it's the same freakin' aircraft!!! wing tip tanks or no wing tip tanks, come on get real. airline interview panels want to know if you a professional...and by trying to fudge the numbers your looking like a fool.

 

[trfenwyd]

charlie1,

for those of us "low timers" these are legit questions. I have my do and cp telling me how to log it and it doesn't seem right. if you wanna bitch and complain, save it for those kind of threads. I'm sure you could find something good look under "MESA"

As for everything else, we all start somewhere. I'm sure you didn't come out of the womb with 6500 hours.

 

[flx757]

trfenwyd,

Keep in mind there are "junior" pilots with 6500 hours. It's all relative, and the pilot who thinks he knows everything, has ceased to continue to learn, and has finally reached the ranks of "real airline professional", is the pilot I least want to fly with,

61.55 is pretty clear on what training is required for SIC, and an SIC is only required if the aircraft is type certificated for more than one pilot or the flight is operated under a regulation requiring more than one pilot.

 

[texanpilot]

Definetly cant log SIC. However, does the PIC have a Multi-CFI? If so, log it as dual received. I have 46 hours KingAir dual received. It will increase your multi, multi-turbine, and total. But if you log KingAir SIC, an interviewer will give you a very wierd look someday.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Definetly cant log SIC. However, does the PIC have a Multi-CFI? If so, log it as dual received. I have 46 hours KingAir dual received. It will increase your multi, multi-turbine, and total. But if you log KingAir SIC, an interviewer will give you a very wierd look someday.

Texan,

I was a bit skeptical of this practice. Has the issue ever been brought up in your interviews? Thanks.


Mr. I.

 

[flx757]

Definetly cant log SIC. However, does the PIC have a Multi-CFI? If so, log it as dual received. I have 46 hours KingAir dual received. It will increase your multi, multi-turbine, and total. But if you log KingAir SIC, an interviewer will give you a very wierd look someday.

There are plenty of instances when the flight is operated under a regulation that requires an SIC, such as when an SIC is required in lieu of an auopilot, or the company ops specs require an SIC and he/she has received the required traininig under 61.55. Then is is perfectly legal to log it as SIC time.

I suggest you read up on your regs before making a blanket statement that you "definitely can't log it as SIC".