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Kerry's exploits in Vietnam are disputed in best seller
By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Democrats capped Sen. John Kerry's presidential nomination last night by showing a Hollywood-produced movie of his life, featuring amateur film clips and testaments about his service in Vietnam as commander of a Navy river patrol boat.
But a group of former sailors who served with Mr. Kerry are telling a different story. Rather than depicting Mr. Kerry as a war hero, they are quoted in a new book accusing him of exaggerating and falsifying his experiences.

The group says that of 23 crew members photographed with Mr. Kerry more than 30 years ago in Vietnam, only one supports his presidential campaign. They will announce a nationwide campaign by "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" to tell the American public about what they say is Mr. Kerry's true war record.
The biographical movie shown last night, "A Remarkable Promise," shows "family and friends talking about the courage he has shown as a soldier and a veteran, the fights he has waged for middle-class values and the faith in family he has exhibited as a father and husband," the Kerry campaign said before its prime-time convention appearance.
The film was produced by James Moll, a partner of director Steven Spielberg.
The book, "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry," from Regnery Publishing, is written by John E. O'Neill. Mr. O'Neill served in Vietnam at the same time as Mr. Kerry and followed him as commander on the swift boat.
Mr. O'Neill, riled by what he considered Mr. Kerry's false charge in 1971 of widespread war crimes committed by U.S. troops, has waged a public debate with the politician dating back to the "Dick Cavett Show" that year.
The book quotes Mr. Kerry's fellow combatants as saying two of his Purple Hearts came from friendly fire, not the enemy. The veterans also will dispute other stories Mr. Kerry has told.
"Unfit for Command" will not be released until Sept. 25, but the online Drudge Report yesterday broke news of what it called a "bombshell book." The book hit No. 2 on Amazon.com's best-seller list. Radio and TV hosts were clamoring for Mr. O'Neill to appear.
Regnery, which boasts a long list of best-selling conservative books, has put a tight hold on information until the official release.
Some of the book's charges have been aired by Veterans for Truth.
Retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, who commanded Mr. Kerry's task force in Vietnam, is one of the book's sources.
Adm. Hoffmann said yesterday he has supplied several instances of Mr. Kerry's purported lies. One example, he said, is Mr. Kerry's contention that he warned admirals of the folly of a certain river operation. Adm. Hoffmann said he and others were at the meeting, and that Mr. Kerry never made such a statement.
"The real truth is he didn't say a ... word," Adm. Hoffmann said.
Mr. Hoffmann is chairman of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, which plans what it calls a grass-roots campaign.
"We're going to tell the truth — the fact that he was a perpetual, habitual liar," Adm. Hoffmann said. "I don't care whether it was perjury or lying before the Senate of the United States, or that two of his Purple Hearts are at least very specious, if not absolutely false, because he filed false after-action reports."

Here is the Link http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040729-111509-4130r.htm

Here is another one http://www.swiftvets.com/



Swift Boat Veterans for Truth has been formed to counter the false "war crimes" charges John Kerry repeatedly made against Vietnam veterans who served in our units and elsewhere, and to accurately portray Kerry's brief tour in Vietnam as a junior grade Lieutenant. We speak from personal experience -- our group includes men who served beside Kerry in combat as well as his commanders. Though we come from different backgrounds and hold varying political opinions, we agree on one thing: John Kerry misrepresented his record and ours in Vietnam and therefore exhibits serious flaws in character and lacks the potential to lead.

We regret the need to do this. Most Swift boat veterans would like nothing better than to support one of our own for America's highest office, regardless of whether he was running as a Democrat or a Republican. However, Kerry's phony war crimes charges, his exaggerated claims about his own service in Vietnam, and his deliberate misrepresentation of the nature and effectiveness of Swift boat operations compels us to step forward.

For more than thirty years, most Vietnam veterans kept silent as we were maligned as misfits, addicts, and baby killers. Now that a key creator of that poisonous image is seeking the Presidency we have resolved to end our silence.

The time has come to set the record straight.

Just something to think about as Kerry shows and touts his "War" record.
 
And this has what to do with Major Airline Interviews???



How about keeping the political posturing (from any side) in the non-aviation sections please. Thanks.



HAL
 
And this long post has what to do with the aviation message board?

Nothing. I thought so.

Save it for the Rush Limbaugh Grandstand Show.
 
First election I get to vote in and both candidates are mediocore (sp?) at best. Bush is just bad, and Kerry just keeps getting worse as we close in on November. No wonder fewer people are voting.
 
And this has what to do with the Aviation Message board?

Nothing. I thought so.

Save it for the Rush Limbaugh Grandstand Show.
 
Kerry was in charge of a cabin cruiser in the navy and now he wants to be president?

Yea, I'll vote for him.
 
DonVeritaAnd this has what to do with the Aviation Message board?

Nothing. I thought so.

Save it for the Rush Limbaugh Grandstand Show

It is simple, ALPA National has endorsed J Kerry for the Commander and Chief of our Armed Forces. The same brave men and women that you are keeping their seat warm while they are in a far off land defending our country. The same people that are saving your and my jobs from having another 9-11 upheaval. People around him durning his "hero months" are questioning his ability to command 6 guys on a boat. Why should we not question his ability to command all of our Armed Forces now? Why should your dues go to support J Kerry?


Ponchus pilotAt least he served.
So did GW, he was an interceptor fighter pilot to chase Russian bombers. Remember them? They were still around during Viet Nam. And yes he did serve all of his days, hours and minutes.
 
Repeat after me.....

What does this have to do with aviation interviews???



OK. P.S. Kerry was in charge of a cabin cruiser in the navy and now he wants to be president?

And what did the other guy do during the same time period that makes him such a great candidate? (Sorry, I couldn't help it.)

Moderators, please move this thread.

HAL
 
quote: Gw was an initerceptor fighter pilot to chase russian bombers.

upfrt: The only bomber GW ever saw was the drink called the B-52 that he loved to guzzle at the frat house and the officer's club.

he never left texas. and you're trying to convince the public here that with the screwed Iraq mission and all the scandals surrounding it, he should be re-elected?

you need to go on a:

NO CARB DIET

NO C HENEY
A SHCROFT
R UMSFELD
B USH

AND ALSO, NO RICE
 
Kerry shots himself with his oun grenade launcher, and puts himself in for a Purple Heart. Is worth over 1 BILLION and says he understands the life of the average American, give me a break. You can bet your last strike dollor it doesn't matter who you vote for to back labor, it doesn't make a bit of difference in the end. It comes down to you and you company, not Congress or the White House.
 
I agree with you FLB717, it doesn't matter.

Seen any poor politicians running for office?

I thought all the Mullah was Teresa Heinz Kerrys' and she had him sign a pre-nup agreement?
 
Kerry had a nice sum from his former deceased wifes estate. The current wife got her money from her dead husband, a Republican Senator no less. Kerry has married up twice now, got to give him some credit for that. Then ask a lot of these Captains with three ex-wives how well a prenup helped them, zippo. But sorry old boy, I have to go with Bush this time around.
 
Climbto the bottom et al!

he never left texas. and you're trying to convince the public here that with the screwed Iraq mission and all the scandals surrounding it, he should be re-elected?

Guys, there is a big difference between Kerry and Bush. Bush NEVER EVER touted his military experience as a poititical ploy. He never manipulated his military past to further his career.
P.S., for the completely out of touch statement above, you sir need to do a little research. People like you are the problem, not the solution. But I will give you the benefit of the dought. Let us know about all of the scandals concerning Bush and the war. Ya, we all know about the WMD issue, and we all know the cause. It was not Bush. So other than that, lets hear it.:rolleyes:
 
Tim47SIP said:
he never left texas. and you're trying to convince the public here that with the screwed Iraq mission and all the scandals surrounding it, he should be re-elected?

Guys, there is a big difference between Kerry and Bush. Bush NEVER EVER touted his military experience as a poititical ploy. He never manipulated his military past to further his career.
P.S., for the completely out of touch statement above, you sir need to do a little research. People like you are the problem, not the solution. But I will give you the benefit of the dought. Let us know about all of the scandals concerning Bush and the war. Ya, we all know about the WMD issue, and we all know the cause. It was not Bush. So other than that, lets hear it.:rolleyes:


Oh yeah, like GWB had a choice to tout his military service record. He'd be laughed off the planet. The ONLY thing Bush can do is keep quiet about his dubious Texas ANG service, which is highly suspect, as he was MIA for a good part of it.

Gimme a break!
 
I hate polls on this site, but in this case I would love to see how this group would vote?
 
Oh yeah, like GWB had a choice to tout his military service record. He'd be laughed off the planet. The ONLY thing Bush can do is keep quiet about his dubious Texas ANG service, which is highly suspect, as he was MIA for a good part of it.

Jardood, get out of your jar. One, you really have no clue about the gaurd, do you? If you do, then you are just making stuff up or spouting out the standard liberal crap. Two, you make my point. Bush never even attempted to use his mil experience. If he did, he would be under the same fire that Kerry is going to go through. Only difference, a lie always comes around to bite you in the arss. Kerry will pay deeply for his anticts leading up to his purple hearts and what he did to all servicemen after the war. Kerry has a long past of anti military and it will be brought out into the open.

BUS, thanks for the link, although you should know that libs dont want to hear or read factual data as it clouds up their smear campain.;)
 
"He volunteered to go to Vietnam."

-- Bush campaign chairman Marc Racicot, yesterday [2/23/04], on National Public Radio

"No, I didn't."

-- President Bush, Feb. 8, responding to a question on NBC's "Meet the Press" about whether he volunteered to go to Vietnam

And much more information about our president's questionable Guard attendance can be found here:

http://www.awolbush.com/

Just stupid "Lib" here, trying to educate a "Right wing-nut"

I did not EVER say GWB was not trained to fly in the ANG. That's a given.

However, like so many of the rich and famous, he did skate by in avoiding putting his butt in harms way, and he didn't even play by the rules when he got into the ANG. GWB had extended periods of not showing up for duty at all. So much so, he lost his flight status.

And oh, yeah, the other chicken hawk, Dick Cheney.......FIVE deferments to escape the draft during the Vietnam war.

But, I suppose since that statement comes from a "lib" (me) it can't possibly be true. LMAO

Yup, GWB is just being "modest" about not touting his service to the country during a time of armed conflict. He certainly would find it unseemly to brag about his heroic service.
 

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