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wrxpilot
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mudkow60 said:
Earlier in the day Joe Bastardi of Accuweather was saying that on Fox. I've never heard of that either, but have heard rumors of Pacific cyclones hitting speeds like that.
Just checked, Hurricane Allen in 1980 had a sustained speed of 190 mph, so gusts well over 200 mph would not be out of the question for that particular storm.
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Flying Illini said:
Just watching the news, heart-wrenching. The Superdome is the location of 'last resort'. People with no way out of the city, no transportation or money, people who tried to leave yet their car broke down. All sorts of people from every background waiting together at the Superdome.
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Here's something else that really concerns me.
http://www.intellicast.com/Local/US...harts&product=HurTrack2&prodnav=none&pid=none
The projected path shows the hurricane following the Mississippi river and then the Ohio river valley. As this storm continues dumping water all along these two large rivers, the folks at the mouth of the Mississippi (New Orleans) will have significant flooding continuing for a week following the hurricane's passage as these rain/flood waters flow down the Ohio into the Mississippi and then down the Mississippi to the Gulf.
http://www.intellicast.com/Local/US...harts&product=HurTrack2&prodnav=none&pid=none
The projected path shows the hurricane following the Mississippi river and then the Ohio river valley. As this storm continues dumping water all along these two large rivers, the folks at the mouth of the Mississippi (New Orleans) will have significant flooding continuing for a week following the hurricane's passage as these rain/flood waters flow down the Ohio into the Mississippi and then down the Mississippi to the Gulf.
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OIL HAS ALREADY PASSED $70.00/Barrel. Let's all pray for the people in Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.
http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory.asp?cat=news&referrer=welcome&id=20050828/431136c0_3ca6_15526200508281741967876
Katrina Targeting U.S. Oil Operations
Sunday, August 28, 2005
NEW YORK - With crude oil prices near record levels, a hurricane targeted the heart of America's oil and refinery operations Sunday, shutting down an estimated 1 million barrels of refining capacity and sharply curbing offshore production throughout the region.
Katrina, a Category 5 storm expected to strike New Orleans early Monday, was churning through the Gulf of Mexico. The area is crucial to the nation's energy infrastructure - offshore oil and gas production, import terminals, pipeline networks and numerous refining operations throughout southern Louisiana and Mississippi.
The impact was immediate Sunday night when electronic trading resumed on the New York Mercantile Exchange, as crude oil futures spiked $4.50 per barrel, putting the cost above $70 for the first time since oil began trading there in 1983.
The hurricane followed a path similar to the one taken last September by Ivan, which caused heavy damage and reduced the region's output for months. Yet Katrina's 165-mph wind was fiercer.
Oil companies have evacuated workers and shut down more than 600,000 barrels of daily production in the Gulf. Refiners closed down more than 1 million barrels of refining output by Sunday, but that amount could be higher because not every producer reports data, said Peter Beutel, an oil analyst with Cameron Hanover.
"We're shutting down all kinds of everything. This is the big one," he said. "This is unmitigated, bad news for consumers."
Gasoline futures soared more than 20 cents per gallon, above $2.12 per gallon, and natural gas was up $2.20 per 1,000 cubic feet in the opening minutes of trade. The "out of control" buying is spurred by the prospect that the region's numerous refineries could be idled for weeks by flooding, power outages, or both, Beutel said.
The U.S. has ample crude oil supplies, even if major hurricane destruction trims Gulf oil output and foreign imports, but refining capacity is extraordinarily tight. As a result, prices for gasoline, heating oil, jet fuel and other products have flirted with records and could go even higher this week.
"If this thing knocks out significant quantities of refining capacity ... we're going to be in deep, dark trouble," said Ed Silliere, vice president of risk management at Energy Merchant LLC in New York.
The market has been on edge for months, with traders and speculators buying on the slightest fear. With Katrina, all those fears could be realized, Beutel said.
"Basically I could spill a can of oil at my local gas station and you'd see the price of crude go up by $1 per barrel," he said.
Crude settled at $66.13 a barrel Friday on the New York Mercantile Exchange, down $1.36 after hitting $68 last week.
In many ways, Katrina was expected to be inconsequential to the energy industry, with many traders selling on Friday as the storm moved across Florida and was seen as moving north and striking the Florida Panhandle as a tropical storm with little impact. That all changed Saturday, when the system gained power and charged west, directly into areas of offshore oil production.
ChevronTexaco Corp. completed evacuations of all workers in the eastern and central Gulf of Mexico and nonessential workers in the western Gulf late Saturday, company spokesman Matt Carmichael said.
Chevron has about 2,100 employees and contractors working in the Gulf, Carmichael said. Chevron will continue to produce 90 percent of its normal production by remote as long as weather cooperates, he said.
The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port, which processes loads from tankers too large for mainland ports, evacuated all workers and stopped unloading ships on Saturday morning said Mark Bugg, the terminal's manager of scheduling. The LOOP, 20 miles offshore, is the nation's largest oil import terminal and handles 11 percent of U.S. oil imports.
Royal Dutch-Shell Group evacuated more than 1,000 offshore workers by Saturday. Only those in the far west remained, the company said on its Web site. BP PLC and ExxonMobil Corp. also brought workers ashore Saturday.
Shell estimated 420,000 barrels of oil and 1.35 million cubic feet of gas per day will be shut in at its central and eastern Gulf facilities. Exxon Mobil said it has ceased daily production of 3,000 barrels of oil and 50 million cubic feet of gas.
Valero Energy Corp. evacuated all but a few workers at its 260,000-barrel-a-day St. Charles refinery on Saturday. Murphy Oil Corp. also shut down its 120,000-barrel-a-day Meraux, La., refinery, and Exxon Mobil Corp. planned to shut down its 183,000-barrel-a-day refinery in Chalmette, La.
Motiva Enterprises, a joint venture of Royal Dutch Shell PLC and state-owned Saudi Arabian Oil Co., began implementing hurricane contingency plans at its 225,000-barrel-a-day Norco refinery on Saturday. Motiva also was exploring contingencies for its 235,000-barrel-a-day Convent refinery, about 45 miles west of New Orleans, Dow Jones Newswires reported.
http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory.asp?cat=news&referrer=welcome&id=20050828/431136c0_3ca6_15526200508281741967876
Katrina Targeting U.S. Oil Operations
Sunday, August 28, 2005
NEW YORK - With crude oil prices near record levels, a hurricane targeted the heart of America's oil and refinery operations Sunday, shutting down an estimated 1 million barrels of refining capacity and sharply curbing offshore production throughout the region.
Katrina, a Category 5 storm expected to strike New Orleans early Monday, was churning through the Gulf of Mexico. The area is crucial to the nation's energy infrastructure - offshore oil and gas production, import terminals, pipeline networks and numerous refining operations throughout southern Louisiana and Mississippi.
The impact was immediate Sunday night when electronic trading resumed on the New York Mercantile Exchange, as crude oil futures spiked $4.50 per barrel, putting the cost above $70 for the first time since oil began trading there in 1983.
The hurricane followed a path similar to the one taken last September by Ivan, which caused heavy damage and reduced the region's output for months. Yet Katrina's 165-mph wind was fiercer.
Oil companies have evacuated workers and shut down more than 600,000 barrels of daily production in the Gulf. Refiners closed down more than 1 million barrels of refining output by Sunday, but that amount could be higher because not every producer reports data, said Peter Beutel, an oil analyst with Cameron Hanover.
"We're shutting down all kinds of everything. This is the big one," he said. "This is unmitigated, bad news for consumers."
Gasoline futures soared more than 20 cents per gallon, above $2.12 per gallon, and natural gas was up $2.20 per 1,000 cubic feet in the opening minutes of trade. The "out of control" buying is spurred by the prospect that the region's numerous refineries could be idled for weeks by flooding, power outages, or both, Beutel said.
The U.S. has ample crude oil supplies, even if major hurricane destruction trims Gulf oil output and foreign imports, but refining capacity is extraordinarily tight. As a result, prices for gasoline, heating oil, jet fuel and other products have flirted with records and could go even higher this week.
"If this thing knocks out significant quantities of refining capacity ... we're going to be in deep, dark trouble," said Ed Silliere, vice president of risk management at Energy Merchant LLC in New York.
The market has been on edge for months, with traders and speculators buying on the slightest fear. With Katrina, all those fears could be realized, Beutel said.
"Basically I could spill a can of oil at my local gas station and you'd see the price of crude go up by $1 per barrel," he said.
Crude settled at $66.13 a barrel Friday on the New York Mercantile Exchange, down $1.36 after hitting $68 last week.
In many ways, Katrina was expected to be inconsequential to the energy industry, with many traders selling on Friday as the storm moved across Florida and was seen as moving north and striking the Florida Panhandle as a tropical storm with little impact. That all changed Saturday, when the system gained power and charged west, directly into areas of offshore oil production.
ChevronTexaco Corp. completed evacuations of all workers in the eastern and central Gulf of Mexico and nonessential workers in the western Gulf late Saturday, company spokesman Matt Carmichael said.
Chevron has about 2,100 employees and contractors working in the Gulf, Carmichael said. Chevron will continue to produce 90 percent of its normal production by remote as long as weather cooperates, he said.
The Louisiana Offshore Oil Port, which processes loads from tankers too large for mainland ports, evacuated all workers and stopped unloading ships on Saturday morning said Mark Bugg, the terminal's manager of scheduling. The LOOP, 20 miles offshore, is the nation's largest oil import terminal and handles 11 percent of U.S. oil imports.
Royal Dutch-Shell Group evacuated more than 1,000 offshore workers by Saturday. Only those in the far west remained, the company said on its Web site. BP PLC and ExxonMobil Corp. also brought workers ashore Saturday.
Shell estimated 420,000 barrels of oil and 1.35 million cubic feet of gas per day will be shut in at its central and eastern Gulf facilities. Exxon Mobil said it has ceased daily production of 3,000 barrels of oil and 50 million cubic feet of gas.
Valero Energy Corp. evacuated all but a few workers at its 260,000-barrel-a-day St. Charles refinery on Saturday. Murphy Oil Corp. also shut down its 120,000-barrel-a-day Meraux, La., refinery, and Exxon Mobil Corp. planned to shut down its 183,000-barrel-a-day refinery in Chalmette, La.
Motiva Enterprises, a joint venture of Royal Dutch Shell PLC and state-owned Saudi Arabian Oil Co., began implementing hurricane contingency plans at its 225,000-barrel-a-day Norco refinery on Saturday. Motiva also was exploring contingencies for its 235,000-barrel-a-day Convent refinery, about 45 miles west of New Orleans, Dow Jones Newswires reported.
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Re: the Superdome
A guy on the news said the floor of the superdome is 12-15 feet above "city level", which is 9 feet below sea level. And even if the floor floods, there's capacity in the stands for 50,000.
The Superdome is rated for 200MPH winds, but as with tornados, once you add windborne debris all bets are off. At least it's concrete, and not light steel sheeting over a steel frame like other stadiums. If they can keep the wind from getting inside, the structure will be able to withstand the pressure.
A guy on the news said the floor of the superdome is 12-15 feet above "city level", which is 9 feet below sea level. And even if the floor floods, there's capacity in the stands for 50,000.
The Superdome is rated for 200MPH winds, but as with tornados, once you add windborne debris all bets are off. At least it's concrete, and not light steel sheeting over a steel frame like other stadiums. If they can keep the wind from getting inside, the structure will be able to withstand the pressure.
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Well, I had a whole shindig typed out, took me 5 minutes to do, then I lost it, so I'll try again...
It just feels wierd...I sit here tonight and play my Xbox, watch tv, prepare for work tomorrow...All the while, hundreds of thousand of folks down south prepare for the worst. I wonder what I will have for dinner tomorrow night, they wonder if they will be alive in 12-24 hours. I worked in the yard today, enjoying the sunshine. They worked to try and save their possessions and get themselves out. I will sleep in my bed tonight, they will not get a wink of sleep, listening only to the growing sounds of the storm outside, wondering if they will live through the hurricane, or if they will live through the flooding, or the tornadoes.
I feel wrong for living my normal live while these folks are about to experience a natural disaster of a grand scale. I don't care about what my gas prices do, get yourselves to somewhere safe, and if you can't do that, hold your loved ones close and tell them how much they mean to you. I will be saying a prayer for everyone involved.
I remember going down to Gulfport after Ivan ( i think) and saying, this is so much worse than what I saw on TV. TV is the ultimate "desensitizer." I can't image what you all are going to go through in the next day but I pray for you. TV will never do it justice.
Godspeed to you all.
It just feels wierd...I sit here tonight and play my Xbox, watch tv, prepare for work tomorrow...All the while, hundreds of thousand of folks down south prepare for the worst. I wonder what I will have for dinner tomorrow night, they wonder if they will be alive in 12-24 hours. I worked in the yard today, enjoying the sunshine. They worked to try and save their possessions and get themselves out. I will sleep in my bed tonight, they will not get a wink of sleep, listening only to the growing sounds of the storm outside, wondering if they will live through the hurricane, or if they will live through the flooding, or the tornadoes.
I feel wrong for living my normal live while these folks are about to experience a natural disaster of a grand scale. I don't care about what my gas prices do, get yourselves to somewhere safe, and if you can't do that, hold your loved ones close and tell them how much they mean to you. I will be saying a prayer for everyone involved.
I remember going down to Gulfport after Ivan ( i think) and saying, this is so much worse than what I saw on TV. TV is the ultimate "desensitizer." I can't image what you all are going to go through in the next day but I pray for you. TV will never do it justice.
Godspeed to you all.
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I was out of town/out of touch this weekend.. needless to say, I almost feel out of my chair this evening when I saw the news about Katrina... last I heard it was a Cat 1 hurricane with the possibility of increasing in strength as it passed over the gulf... anyway, holy $h!t when I saw it was a Cat 5 with 160mph winds!! My thoughts and prayers are with everyone in the path of this beast. I could be mistaken, but isn't this the strongest hurricane to hit in decades??
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Yeah. I agree. Watching MSNBC live right now.. Can't believe that crap.
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