Just wondering if Flight Options lost

[fracjack]

Crickets! Thats all that one hears out of CGF from both corporate and the plush office of the 1108. Crickets!

That's a fact! You see both sides are too busy patting themselves on the back for a job well done.

 

[chainring]

The 1108 MEC had to have been paid off by Ricki or the Options Mgt board because there is no way in good faith that the MEC should have even presented the current TA to the pilots. As it stands, the bottom 85% of the pilots on the seniority list will take a pay cut over the life of the contract with the added work days they receive every 6 months with the schedule transition and the 16+2 guys will loose up to an additional 10 days off a year on top of the additional work days assigned in the transitions. The MEC will tell you that you received a 10% raise and 3 months retro raise, but every cent of that is lost in the lost overtime days that are not paid in the transitions and days off lost. Each subsequent year of the contract will be a pay cut with the all of the forced uncompensated overtime in the transitions every 6 months. This will add up to over 9000$ to some pilots.

The pilots that are laid off will not be recalled by the end of the year and will not get their 10% raise or 3 months retro raise, all they get is to come back at their old wage when they left and be "red circled" till their new reduced pay scale catches up to them and then they will take a pay cut on the uncompensated overtime they will be forced to fly every 6 months. This will add up to 14 days of additional work that is not paid and if they are assigned a 16+2 they can loose even more with up to 10 days off lost per year.

Now that the reality of the sh!t sandwich of a contract the MEC sold out the Flops pilots on is sinking in, the MEC will have an impossible time collecting back dues as all of the pilots see this as a waste and paying for a pay cut!

Then Leave.

 

[B19 Flyer]

Then Leave.

When I advocated that those pilots wanting to put a union on the property should leave and go to a union carrier to get what they wanted because they weren't happy it seems as though there was great disagreement.

Now that the union is on the property and it's clear the CBA wasn't what it was cracked up to be, the union pilots are telling those that aren't happy to leave. Go figure...

 

[B19 Flyer]

The 1108 MEC had to have been paid off by Ricki or the Options Mgt board because there is no way in good faith that the MEC should have even presented the current TA to the pilots. As it stands, the bottom 85% of the pilots on the seniority list will take a pay cut over the life of the contract with the added work days they receive every 6 months with the schedule transition and the 16+2 guys will loose up to an additional 10 days off a year on top of the additional work days assigned in the transitions. The MEC will tell you that you received a 10% raise and 3 months retro raise, but every cent of that is lost in the lost overtime days that are not paid in the transitions and days off lost. Each subsequent year of the contract will be a pay cut with the all of the forced uncompensated overtime in the transitions every 6 months. This will add up to over 9000$ to some pilots.

The pilots that are laid off will not be recalled by the end of the year and will not get their 10% raise or 3 months retro raise, all they get is to come back at their old wage when they left and be "red circled" till their new reduced pay scale catches up to them and then they will take a pay cut on the uncompensated overtime they will be forced to fly every 6 months. This will add up to 14 days of additional work that is not paid and if they are assigned a 16+2 they can loose even more with up to 10 days off lost per year.

Now that the reality of the sh!t sandwich of a contract the MEC sold out the Flops pilots on is sinking in, the MEC will have an impossible time collecting back dues as all of the pilots see this as a waste and paying for a pay cut!

Interesting.. seems as though the CBA was pretty much as I said it would be. Not worth the three years of turmoil and lost jobs...

 

[1folinepilot]

Chainring is that the best that you ahve for me is "Just Quit"? Oh come on! Your back dues payment plan is flawed in that for the most part you are overcharging pilots as you over estimated past wages and are refusing to adjust the amount claimed to be owed to actual amount owed when even backed up by w-2's/pay stubs. What about charging everybody the same dues start date instead of giving riffed Migs a new date from their reinstatement and making them pay their full amount? You really know how to unify the pilot group!

 

[Praetorian]

Chainring is that the best that you ahve for me is "Just Quit"? Oh come on! Your back dues payment plan is flawed in that for the most part you are overcharging pilots as you over estimated past wages and are refusing to adjust the amount claimed to be owed to actual amount owed when even backed up by w-2's/pay stubs. What about charging everybody the same dues start date instead of giving riffed Migs a new date from their reinstatement and making them pay their full amount? You really know how to unify the pilot group!

Knowbody cares what a freeloader like you thinks or says.

 

[1folinepilot]

Ah the Praetorian Guard has spoken! LOL!

"With the right amount of money, or at will, they assassinated emperors, bullied their own prefects, or turned on the people of Rome."

So let me ask you this, how do you look yourself in the mirror knowing that the boost in your paycheck came on the backs of all the junior pilots and furloughs, and you have the gall to do overtime as well?

I have nothing to say to someone like you so go hide behind your MIGS status as it is a sham!

 

[fracjack]

Ah the Praetorian Guard has spoken! LOL!

"With the right amount of money, or at will, they assassinated emperors, bullied their own prefects, or turned on the people of Rome."

So let me ask you this, how do you look yourself in the mirror knowing that the boost in your paycheck came on the backs of all the junior pilots and furloughs, and you have the gall to do overtime as well?

I have nothing to say to someone like you so go hide behind your MIGS status as it is a sham!

And for such a small boost in pay at that.
Pay,7&7,tier 3,benefits ,then workrules is what I believe was the priority when this all came about.
Crumbs of each was the result. Hansel and Grettel got lost.
So the answer now is quit if you don't like it ,now ,wasn't that the same advice that was given to anyone not FINANCIALLY supporting the union before this "career "saving CBA? 1fopilot does seem to have a grip on reality here,can't say the same about MIGS especially the ones who sold everyone out with a yes vote. Patience is a virtue. History always tells the true story.

 

[Praetorian]

Ah the Praetorian Guard has spoken! LOL!

"With the right amount of money, or at will, they assassinated emperors, bullied their own prefects, or turned on the people of Rome."

So let me ask you this, how do you look yourself in the mirror knowing that the boost in your paycheck came on the backs of all the junior pilots and furloughs, and you have the gall to do overtime as well?

I have nothing to say to someone like you so go hide behind your MIGS status as it is a sham!

I think you should change your screen name to "1freeloadingfolinepilot".

Since you can't vote on anything, your irrelevance is only eclipsed by your impotence. It's going to start to get very lonely for you out there soon, I hear the union is closing in on 90% in good standing.

 

[1folinepilot]

I think you should change your screen name to "1freeloadingfolinepilot".

Since you can't vote on anything, your irrelevance is only eclipsed by your impotence. It's going to start to get very lonely for you out there soon, I hear the union is closing in on 90% in good standing.

Praetorian, There you go distorting the facts again in a feeble attempt to slander and discredit me. I have fully paid all dues contractually obligated of me by contract and have adhered to the direction of the union during negotiations, especially to not doing overtime. Members of your click have flown and continue to fly vast quantities of overtime when we have numerous members on furlough. What is your spin on this truth?

 

[dime line]

Yo 1FoLinePilot, I notice you dont bich on the union board, only here, hiding behind your alias. Nice

 

[wacoflyr]

The word is 'clique,' not click.

 

[Praetorian]

I have fully paid all dues contractually obligated of me by contract and have adhered to the direction of the union during negotiations, especially to not doing overtime.

But I notice you carefully omit the fact that you are not actually in good standing. :laugh:

Tell you what. Get in good standing and take your complaints to the union board. That is if you really want to have an impact on the decision making process. Otherwise, as a freeloader, everyone knows you are an empty suit, without a voice.

 

[1folinepilot]

Praetorian,

You have some balls to be calling me a freeloader when you have been quoted as saying "I'm here to fly as little as possible" While you are off breaking your airplane and getting out of work, everybody else is forced to do the trips you are being paid to do. So to the rest of the pilots, you are the freeloader.

 

[1folinepilot]

Almighty Praetorian, Where is your witty reply? You should allow all the pilots of Flight Options to post on the IBT board so you will have a firm grasp of reality. Since you are speaking for all of the pilots of Flight Options, you should at least listen to what they have to say.