Junior USAirways pilots sold out.

[The Penguin]

MDA, MAA, or The Embraer Division of USAirways. Take your pick!

 

[SELFloadingCRGO]

While I seem to have come across just the basics of this new pay scale for the E-170's (i.e. $58k for a Capt, $35k for a FO). What I am really curious about is where all the people are that normally bash others in the industry for taking pay cuts or "lowering the bar" as it were. I believe that the pay still has to be agreed upon by the pilot group, so there is a chance that it won't go through. But it just seems like a huge slap to the face for a 70 seat "mainline" pilot to be making less than a 50 seat regional pilot. I remember reading a USA Today article a week or two ago that said something about how the furloughed USAirways pilots will be taking positions at Mid-Atlantic so they can provide for their families and such. And that they didn't have any other options, or something to that effect. That brings to mind all the heat the Mesa boys and girls took for taking a subpar contract. Is that not the same thing happening here? I guess it's always different when you are the one that is personally involved.


SLC

 

[FurloughedAgain]

lowering the bar by proxy

Well lets be completely honest here.

The people who will actually have to WORK at MidAtlantic will not have a vote. They didn't even have an avenue to contact their former MEC and offer their opinion. They will have their futures decided for them by the apathetic senior.

Plainly speaking the US Airways pilots (those who remain employed) are imposing pay and work rules on MidAtlantic.

And why not? THEY'LL never have to work there.... right?

Gotta love ALPA.

 

[side stick-n]

What happens to the furloughed WO pilots from ALG or PDT? I understand that ALG was scheduled to lose quite a few aircraft before the merger with PDT. I can only take it that this will mean possible furloughs from the combined carrier. Are these guys going to be offered a prop-for-jobs program? Offered employment at MAA? Or are these guys and gals just second class aviators that don't deserve any protection or job? I think it's more appropriate to say that Junior US Airways and WO pilots sold out! Another example of ALPA's inexcusable disregard for their dues paying members as a whole. Protect the few, screw the rest!

 

[boeingdriver213]

MAA will hire furloughed mainline pilots first. When there are no willing pilots left from the mainline furloughees, furloughed W/O pilots will be called, then pilots off the street. This is all assuming MAA and U are still in business.

 

[FurloughedAgain]

whoa whoa whoa!!!

What happened to the so-called flowthrough? Last I heard from LOA81 there was a virtual-combined seniority list for the wholly-owneds floating around that was going to be stapled to MidAtlantic.

It was to essentially create a single seniority list. WO -> MDA -> Mainline. (with the exception that if someone chose to bypass the flow they were protected in their seat at the wholly-owned). I think I even read that the WO pilots would be able to bring longevity to MDA.

Theoretically MidAtlantic should NEVER EVER hire a single pilot off the street. Every single MDA pilot should come from the wholly-owneds.... right?

 

[B1900DFO]

"I think I even read that WO pilots will be able to bring longevity to MDA."

That is correct. The sad thing is that virtually all of our Dash 8 captains make more than the top pay rate at MDA for 70 seat RJ captains (58K). That is pretty sad. Way to go U ALPA... not only did they lower the bar for the majors they even found a way to lower the bar for regional pilots. Whoever agreed to cap 70 seat rj pay at 58k should be fired.

 

[boeingdriver213]

Maybe they don't know what regional pilots make, or they think they make far less than that. That's OK, they won't ever have to fly them, so what does it matter?

 

[B1900DFO]

I think it matters because they are setting a precedent. They are saying that 58k per year is a fair wage for a 70 seat RJ captain. As more 70-90 seat rj's hit the market I am sure management from different airlines are going to reference the benchmark that was set by the US Airways MEC.

 

[NCFlyer]

Could we get over the $58,000 max thing.

It has been explained again and again that the U MEC agreed to accept the pay rates used by American Eagle for jet equipment.

Also the MDA F/O's will start at the max pay rate according to the Eagle contract, I believe around $35 / hour. MDA Captains are to start at Eagle Captain rate with no longevity credit for service at USAirways. All captains will start at 1st year pay, around $57 / hour. The Eagle pay rate then increases to around $89 / hour in the 18th year.

I think where the biggest issue comes in is that no other 70 seat operator has 1st year captains.


Eagle pay rates: http://www.airlinepilotcontracts.com/Contracts/2003.htm