Judge rules in favor of NW FA's

[Bizjet]

Uh huh, sure. I'm really going to back a strike by FA's so they can make 75K for doing a job any high school graduate could do. Maybe next I can risk my job for the janitor who wants 50K a year.

You are truly ignorant. Maybe you can go to the back and help serve during flight to assist the company in breaking the F/A's union. I doubt that you would be missed in the cockpit.:smash:

 

[100LL... Again!]

I have to support the FAs here.

The point is that if the company wants to throw out a contract, the workers should be allowed to strike.

It is up to the FAs to decide how close a game of 'chicken' they want to play with management. If they shut NWA down, that is unfortunate, but like all workers we know that possibility exists: that another unrelated labor group can bankrupt a company and cause us to lose our jobs. We all take that risk.

Good luck to all. I think management will blink at the last minute.

 

[Monster Buck]

No, I'm afraid you're wrong. That year of training is very expensive and is followed by at least a couple years of low-paid time building. Add to that the fact that very few pilots get hired at a major without a college degree.

On the other hand, just about anyone with a high school diploma is qualified to get hired as an FA.

So yeah, I'm kind of cynical about FA's risking the liquidation of my company with their strikes just because they want to be paid like a pilot. I hope they get as good a contract as they can, but not at the potential cost of my job.

Hey stupid. They don't get paid like a pilot like you, you get paid like a FA. Get it?

 

[SYX328]

Someone does have to stand up to the Management team and show them that you are not going to be bullied into anything.

 

[Dodge]

Monster Buck,

right on!!!!



Nindiri,
Let us all hope, for the sake of the profession, that all pilots outside the NWA red, green, and blue book lists, don't take the same philosophy that said NWA pilots have taken. That is, a strike is only to be honored if it is my strike. The NWA pilots will have not a leg to stand on when a scab pilot group comes in and takes all their flying. Of course, Woerth and McClain would call foul, but given their past records, it would fall on deaf ears. The NWA pilots have shown their true colors, no matter what hue of book they are in.

 

[A350]

I agree....I was and continually am shocked as I thought the NWA guys were the most hard line union types of all. Then the mechs walked and nothing from them.

They may back the FA's in word of mouth, but in deed I don't see much of anything happening. They will come up with some deal that saves face on both ends and the "crisis" will be past. Of course, paybacks are a #%#[email protected] the pilots need a new contract, the FA's and Mechs will be nowhere in sight.

NWA isn't going anywhere as long as the two constituents don't lose sight of the fact that they both (the FA's and management) do have a lot to lose if they don't come to some kind of agreement. However, the employees at Pan Am, Eastern, and many others probably thought the same thing too.

A350

 

[FOrever85]

I am glad everyone is missing the point of this being on the "regional board"


It is a huge victory for Mesaba, and therefore every other regional.

There is a reason Spanky and the gang walked away from negotiations, and this is it. Now, that precedence has been set on this, guess who else can strike?


I would bet there will be a negotiating meeting tommorrow.


So for the little schmuck whining about the flight attendants, STFU!

Their fight directly helps you. If you want to be pissed off, direct it towards NWA pilots. They managed to not only create a mediocre 70 seat payscale, but also created a new name in whipsawing.

 

[Hulk Hogan]

How did XJ mgt spin the negotiation stoppage? It has been referenced but I'm clueless. cya

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

I don't think there was much spin to it, just that ALPA cancelled scheduled negotiations.

 

[SusieSuperStew]

I am glad everyone is missing the point of this being on the "regional board"


It is a huge victory for Mesaba, and therefore every other regional.

There is a reason Spanky and the gang walked away from negotiations, and this is it. Now, that precedence has been set on this, guess who else can strike?


I would bet there will be a negotiating meeting tommorrow.


So for the little schmuck whining about the flight attendants, STFU!

Their fight directly helps you. If you want to be pissed off, direct it towards NWA pilots. They managed to not only create a mediocre 70 seat payscale, but also created a new name in whipsawing.

Thanks FOrever85...that was my intent. A victory for the NW FA's is a victory for all of us at Mesaba, and the sole reason why I posted the information in the first place. A precedence has been set...game on!

It's too bad there are some people that always have to spoil the party because it's all about them...it must be hard going through life being that self important! Schmuck sums it up perfectly!

 

[hbrow15]

got a question, let say F/A strike and NWA liquidates(unlikely), can DW still be preisident of ALPA since he will no longer be an airline pilot?

 

[N590MA]

ALPA cancelled negotiations because the company is refusing to budge on their 19.4% and would only move to a 5.5 year contract from a 6 year. Also they would come in and want to reopen somethins that was agreed to saying that their "Metrics" have changed. This is the same tactics that they used during our long contract negotiations. They already won the right to impose their contract so there is really no need to schedule any talks until NWA is ready to move rj's around to their various regionals.
As for the NWA FA's I don't think that they are trying to keep their 75K a year, they just don't think NWA needs as drastic of cuts as they say. I hope CHAOS works for them, and am glad for their victory. This victory should help all the MESAba unions.

 

[PCL_128]

got a question, let say F/A strike and NWA liquidates(unlikely), can DW still be preisident of ALPA since he will no longer be an airline pilot?

The President of the Association is not required to even have a pilot's license. Captain Woerth would be unaffected in his position at ALPA if NWA were to liquidate (extremely unlikely).

 

[B727FA]

More NWA FA's will cross any picket line than AMFA mechanics did. Low voter turn-out for the last TA is what is backing this guess, on my part.

The FA's just aren't as unified as they should be, in order to have any effect.

Are you on crack or have you just not been paying attention? Perhaps you didn't notice that the NWA FA's have SOUNDLY REJECTED TWO TA's! They overwhelmingly authorized a strike...

When labor failed to honor the AMFA strike that was one thing...this time, it's for real.

Remember, FA's going to work may or may not be crossing the line...CHAOS strikes are designed to, in general, not be "all out" strikes so FA's may legally work if their flight, base, class of service, aircraft type, etc. is "not struck."

CHAOS may target DC9 flights from overnights into a hub. At the hub they may strike one class of service on a long-haul. Later they might preflight an aircraft and then strike so pax can't board.

It's a HUGE step forward for worker's rights...and it's about time.

Guess the stupid, replaceable FA's "aint so dumb" after all...Thanks to NWA and OH FA's airline "management" is learning that ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

Wish all our labor groups could have the balls of the FA's...

 

[B727FA]

I certainly wouldn't support them if they started pulling that CHAOS crap.

Typical...a union is only good if it's for you.

 

[B727FA]

...make 75K for doing a job any high school graduate could do.

Apparently you've succeeded with your HS degree...congrats!

 

[B727FA]

So yeah, I'm kind of cynical about FA's risking the liquidation of my company with their strikes...

Are you just realizing this was happening? Should they be cynical about YOU risking the liquidation of their company with your strikes so that you can be paid like, oh, what was the old standard, "United+1?"

If being an FA were so easy why is it that pilots can't seem to make a pot of coffee and pour a cup for themselves?

 

[B727FA]

You seem to think that because I don't endorse CHAOS tactics that I don't respect FA's. Whatever. Hold out for FA's to make 75K if you're so determined; I'm sure the company will be happy to take it out of the pilots' pay.

Well, demonstrate that you do...

Secondly, as for the CO taking the money out of the pilots pay you'd have to agree to that...oh wait, they already did get screwed and they voted "yes."

Don't begrudge the FA's for having the balls ALPA didn't.

 

[XJohXJ]

Right on!

 

[BOOZENEWS]

Your the problem

No, I'm afraid you're wrong. That year of training is very expensive and is followed by at least a couple years of low-paid time building. Add to that the fact that very few pilots get hired at a major without a college degree.

On the other hand, just about anyone with a high school diploma is qualified to get hired as an FA.

So yeah, I'm kind of cynical about FA's risking the liquidation of my company with their strikes just because they want to be paid like a pilot. I hope they get as good a contract as they can, but not at the potential cost of my job.

You are part of the reason why the airline industry is in the shi^^$er. I NEVER would have voted yes for that POS NWA TA. The NWA pilots who did vote yes have NO stones. I am tired of hearing every imaginable excuse too as to why a yes vote. Face it, they got PLAYED by magagement and they probably can't stop laughing. They should have called they're bluff like the FA's are now doing and let them blink first. Its funny that if our soldiers serving our country had that same mindset, that I would be living a life of enslavement and not typing on flightinfo!! So please, to the NWA pilots who voted yes, GROW A PAIR!!

 

[kmox29]

Just out of curiosity...has anyone actually met a NWA pilot who voted "YES"? When I was jumpseating, seemed like everyone voted against it. However, my public education math would lead me to believe that that's impossible. It says volumes about the TA when no one will admit to voting for it.

As for the NWA FAs...I hope they strike and strike fast. I agree that this was a HUGE victory for labor.

To all my former Mesaba coworkers, keep fighitn'. Show NWA ALPA how it's done.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

I have met many who voted yes, although they don't like to admit it. They believe they were saving their jobs as well as getting an industry standard contract. Just seems to be the trend these days.

 

[ReverseSensing]

They believe they were saving their jobs as well as getting an industry standard contract.

I believe I'm the Queen of England and I live in Buckingham Palace.

 

[XJohXJ]

Hey how about a nice big land grant, queenie, say, maybe the lower third of the Island?

 

[ReverseSensing]

Hey how about a nice big land grant, queenie, say, maybe the lower third of the Island?

Rikers? Alcatraz? Robben? Belle?

How about a knighthood? Or perhaps a Duke, Baron, Viscount, Marquess or Earl?

 

[Paul R. Smith]

At least they have the balls to fight your battles for you.....

Somebody got owned...

Can I get an AMEN???

 

[kmox29]

I have met many who voted yes, although they don't like to admit it. They believe they were saving their jobs as well as getting an industry standard contract.

Every pilot for themselves at NWA...I can't believe you guys could screw your mechanics and your regional pilots and try to justify it with the quote below...

Just seems to be the trend these days.

 

[YourPilotFriend]

Every pilot for themselves at NWA...I can't believe you guys could screw your mechanics and your regional pilots and try to justify it with the quote below...

What should have been done?

 

[ImbracableCrunk]

Jeopardy?

"I'll take 'What NWALPA should have done,' please, Alex."

"It's what NWALPA should have done to protect themselves, the FAs, the MXs, and the little Red Tails."

"What is grow a pair, Alex?"

 

[gojo]

Just out of curiosity...has anyone actually met a NWA pilot who voted "YES"? When I was jumpseating, seemed like everyone voted against it. However, my public education math would lead me to believe that that's impossible. It says volumes about the TA when no one will admit to voting for it.

As for the NWA FAs...I hope they strike and strike fast. I agree that this was a HUGE victory for labor.

To all my former Mesaba coworkers, keep fighitn'. Show NWA ALPA how it's done.

Kmox- How are you?