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Along with the rest of all those "Hollywood" pilots. I just saw him on some talkshow, talking about how he was "approached" to fly one of these space tourist spacecraft. (yeah right)

I know I'm idealistic, but I think these people just cheapen the industry. It's just some "folly" to people like Dennis Quaid. Saw him on TV also, flying a citation, with a paid babysitter riding right seat. Makes me sick, cause he bought the ability to fly, just like the rest of them.

Kinda like some Hollywood PFT or something. :p

Gotta give it to his pilot babysitter though, cause that's gotta be a cushy gig.
 
pilot_guy said:
Along with the rest of all those "Hollywood" pilots. I just saw him on some talkshow, talking about how he was "approached" to fly one of these space tourist spacecraft. (yeah right)

I know I'm idealistic, but I think these people just cheapen the industry. It's just some "folly" to people like Dennis Quaid. Saw him on TV also, flying a citation, with a paid babysitter riding right seat. Makes me sick, cause he bought the ability to fly, just like the rest of them.

Kinda like some Hollywood PFT or something. :p

Gotta give it to his pilot babysitter though, cause that's gotta be a cushy gig.
Uh, No..

The pilot babysitter is one of the worst gigs going, triple that for a hollywood a$$hole.

I also hear JT really cant fly worth a $hit either.

but hey, if thats how you get your kicks....fly fly fly.
 
pilot_guy said:
Makes me sick, cause he bought the ability to fly, just like the rest of them.
They bought the ability to fly? You mean like pretty much every person on this board? (Some military pilots excluded.) Yeah, I agree it's pretty lame for them to be considered aviation spokespeople, since they've got no idea what it's like to work as a pilot in the real world, but you might cut them some slack. If the media wants to follow them around and take pictures of them in their airplanes, who cares?

I used to get frustrated (or was it just jealousy?) by pilots whose parents were pilots or instructors for the same reason, it's easier for them than it was for me. Well, life isn't fair. If Quaid, Travolta, Harrison Ford, and the rest want to be pilots, let them. In my opinion they're no worse than those tools who spend all day sitting around the airport talking about their daring exploits in the C-152, then drive home in their "My other car is a cessna" or "I'm not driving fast, I'm flying LOW!" bumper-stickered ride.
 
Not that being rich or famous makes you a good pilot - but doesn't John Travolta and the like have to take the same test as the rest of us in order to earn their ratings?
 
I never understand why people get jealous over other people's accomplishments. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone say that they wish they had what another person has. John Travolta had no easy task in getting to where he is at in Hollywood. This guy has had more comebacks than anyone I can think of. This means that there was a time when he was out and had to work his way back in to the top. Good for him!

I do have a saying about aviation as it relates to wealthy people who choose to get into aviation. " Aviation is natures way of weeding out stupid rich people." Case in point is JFK jr. This guy had so much money, but little ability to safely fly an airplane. The media said that he was halfway through instrument training and he had a Saratoga loaded to the gills with avionics, yet he couldn't safely make a flight to the vineyard. You couldn't convince him that he couldn't make it.
 
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John Travolta undergoes regular recurrent simulator based training, and stays quite flight current in several types of aircraft. If you feel that the FAA was lax or improper in granting him his pilot certificates and type ratings, then you have a duty to inform the Administrator. You also have a duty to contact the recurrency training providers and his insurance provider to inform them of your inside knowledge and information.

Jelousy is ugly. Leave it at the door.

If I had that level of income, I can only suppose it would ruin me. I would like to think I would start or support a major humanitarian effort, but I suspect that I wouldn't handle the money well, I'd probably waste it, and would likely end up blowing a lot of it in aviation...where one starts with a large fortune to make a small one.

I think he's rather conservative. I'd be driving a P-51 or a F4U from A to B, instead of old airline equipment or corporate aircraft, with that money.

Bagging celebrities out of avarice or jelousy is rather small and immature, don't you think? Mr. Travolta, and other celebrities who hold pilot certificates, do a great deal to promote aviation. I certainly can't vouch for his flying abilities; I haven't met the man or spent a day in the cockpit with him. Have you?
 
I have actually met John Revolting at an FBO. Don't know if he can fly or not, but he is one arrogant, abusive, self-cenetered ass.
 
FlyFastLiveSlow said:
I have actually met John Revolting at an FBO. Don't know if he can fly or not, but he is one arrogant, abusive, self-cenetered ass.
Sounds like a typical pilot to me! He'll fit right in :)
 
When I worked at American Airlines, I met a few guys who had instructed John and they said he was a good pilot and a nice guy. One guy mentioned a story about John doing some training at SimuFlite in DFW and one of the instructor's daughters brought in a boombox and a CD of "Grease". According to the story, John actually danced and sang a bit for the young fan. It would be nice to think that that story is true.
 
Guitar Guy said:
When I worked at American Airlines, I met a few guys who had instructed John and they said he was a good pilot and a nice guy. One guy mentioned a story about John doing some training at SimuFlite in DFW and one of the instructor's daughters brought in a boombox and a CD of "Grease". According to the story, John actually danced and sang a bit for the young fan. It would be nice to think that that story is true.
That story, if true, is so gay it'd have to be true!

BTW, If you bought and flew your own private Boeing 707 and flew it all over the world, as well as a Gulfstream, don't you think that'd entitle you to just a wee-bit of cockiness?? Lets give the guy a break!

Now if you want to talk about a*sholes, Harrison Ford is the biggest!
 
Hahahaha...

Can you imagine what those rich and famous people think, when some pilot wins the lottery and tries to rub elboes with them?

Whooo boy, I can here it now...

"Hey, look at a 'trailer trash' over there, he thinks he's people...just because he WON all his millions!"

Hahahaha...

Is it time to get drunk yet?
 
Guitar Guy said:
When I worked at American Airlines, I met a few guys who had instructed John and they said he was a good pilot and a nice guy. One guy mentioned a story about John doing some training at SimuFlite in DFW and one of the instructor's daughters brought in a boombox and a CD of "Grease". According to the story, John actually danced and sang a bit for the young fan. It would be nice to think that that story is true.
I saw his Boeing in Freeport,GB about a year back. It was one sharp looking 707, all painted up in Quantas colors. Anyone who flys a 4 engine jet can't be all bad...
 
I flew with a Captain that flew a few trips with Travolta. He said he is one of the nicest guys he's ever flown with. He also said that he is a true avaition enthusiast. Didn't Travolta lose generators or something in hard night IFR a few years ago in the Northeast in his Gulfstream? Anyway I believe that I read somewhere that some time ago he tried to have an airline career and actually started applying to different airlines. He was ready to swap careers from what I heard. I think it is unfair to categorize him as a pompous actor just looking for a thrill. This guy was a true aspiring pilot. He was taking lessons since being a teenager way before playing Vinnie Barbarino. So take it easy on the guy.
 
pilot_guy said:
Makes me sick, cause he bought the ability to fly, just like the rest of them.
Travolta was interested in and was learning to fly long before he became an actor....in fact, I remember reading somewhere that he took acting lessons because he wanted to be able to pay for his flight lessons.
 
freightdogfred said:
I saw his Boeing in Freeport,GB about a year back. It was one sharp looking 707, all painted up in Quantas colors. Anyone who flys a 4 engine jet can't be all bad...

I thought he got rid of that thing and went smaller. Either way, I got a tour when it was in mx a few years back. It still had the classic boeing 707 paint scheme. The inside was all wood and mirrors. Lovely stuff. Cockpit was nothing to write home about though.....it is still a 707.
 
avbug said:
John Travolta undergoes regular recurrent simulator based training, and stays quite flight current in several types of aircraft. If you feel that the FAA was lax or improper in granting him his pilot certificates and type ratings, then you have a duty to inform the Administrator. You also have a duty to contact the recurrency training providers and his insurance provider to inform them of your inside knowledge and information.

Bagging celebrities out of avarice or jelousy is rather small and immature, don't you think? Mr. Travolta, and other celebrities who hold pilot certificates, do a great deal to promote aviation. I certainly can't vouch for his flying abilities; I haven't met the man or spent a day in the cockpit with him. Have you?
Sounds like you have the entire Welcome Back Kotter series on DVD...

I was talking about the way these guys come off like some arrogant a$$es. Like another poster said, they are just like the guys with the lame license plate frames, etc. So, I shouldn't get all bent out of shape.

As for people "making the cut" like the rest of us, anyone who's been around as long as you Avbug, should stop playing devil's advocate and acknowledge that Santa Claus DE's do exist. I know a couple of guys who spent around 18k getting a private license. Why? Because they sucked, but eventually, through heavy financial investment, were able to "make the cut". Prime example was JFK jr. Sad that he died. I don't wish that on anyone, but it's a case of money buying priviledge. Why did he do what he did, cause he could. Unfortunately, bad planning resulted in fatalities. It's no different from many others out there who aren't celebrities. Anyone with enough money can buy a license.

I like that post about Aviation working as Natural Selection.

Oh yeah, and in retrospect, it WOULD suck to babysit some arrogant Hollywood type while he poses in his a/c.

I don't know if Travolta is all that great in the sky, but I don't like the way the media tries to show these people as spokesmen for the industry. Like he's some type of expert? Promoting aviation? What does he really know about being a pilot? I'm referring to paying our dues, working sh*t jobs, bad mx, bad qol, and doing what needs to be done to get by. How much night cargo, instructing, banner tow, or jump pilot work has he done? I know all of us have done atleast one of these things to get where we are.

Jealous? Not hardly. Bitter and pi$$ed that these people are out there, yeah. They trivialize what we do, and it just lowers the bar.

Maybe sucking up for JT or Ford can get you a signed box set or something? Maybe they're lurking out here on the board, but I doubt it. They're into flying for the "cool" factor, so I doubt they'd be on a board like all us "real" pilots (lmao)
 
FlyFastLiveSlow said:
I have actually met John Revolting at an FBO...he is one arrogant, abusive, self-cenetered ass.
just like you?

RJP, i love your avatar and signiture...i actually rewatched that episode ON DEMAND last night...those guys are such idiots it makes me feel good about myself...
(i wouldn't go arround repeating the second verse to that song though...:D )
 
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On a side note, when I started this thread, I was curious to see which way the masses would sway, and how well I could stir the crap during the holidays.

Thanks guys, and Merry Christmas! :)
 
pilot_guy said:
Prime example was JFK jr. Sad that he died. I don't wish that on anyone, but it's a case of money buying priviledge.
I will have to respectfully disagree with you on this one.

JFK Jr. made a mistake that a lot of pilots before him made. He tried to take a shortcut, and ended up over a featureless black terrain with no VFR references to judge the attitude of his airplane. He broke the #1 rule and didn't trust his instruments, and ended up interpreting his body signals to tell him what the attitude of the plane was. This related into a graveyeard spiral.

It was later proven that he had over 29 hours of instrument training, so this accident for the most part is unexcusable. Who knows maybe his 29 hours of instrument training gave him a false sense of confidence that he shouldn't have really had. You also have to give Jr a little benefit in that he was flying a Piper Saratoga which could be a handful for someone to fly if they weren't a proficient pilot, and "bought" a ticket.

I lost a buddy of mine that I went thru flight training with a couple years ago when he did the same thing Jr. did - wandered into some night IMC conditions and not being instrument rated, and put himself into a spiral from which he never recovered. This guy had quit his "financially secure" job to persue flying as a career after regretting the decision of not being a pilot his whole life. He was just your average joe who had taken out a loan to do flight training. You going to tell me he bought his ticket and thats why he died?

Death shows no bias based on fame, wealth, gender, or nationality.

How many other guys a month before or after had done the exact same thing he did, but we didnt hear about them on the news cause they weren't the kid of an ex-President?

Man, all this said and I don't even remotely like JFR Jr... But the facts are the facts.
 
Jmmccutc said:
just like you?

RJP, i love your avatar and signiture...i actually rewatched that episode ON DEMAND last night...those guys are such idiots it makes me feel good about myself...
(i wouldn't go arround repeating the second verse to that song though...:D )

Best episode ever! Except when he got Bhoutros-Bhoutros Ghali to rap.

Yekshamesh!

Happy American Holiday Season for you.
 
Jmmccutc said:
just like you?

RJP, i love your avatar and signiture...i actually rewatched that episode ON DEMAND last night...those guys are such idiots it makes me feel good about myself...
(i wouldn't go arround repeating the second verse to that song though...:D )
No....I watched him be very rude and abusive to the FBO's staff. Mayeb he was just having a bad day.
 
sqwkvfr said:
:D


I LIKE IT!!

(Remember, mockery is the sincerest form of flattery.)

Hey, what do you know about Louisville?
I know that it's in Kentucky. Why, thinking about moving? And I have some others I'll be testing out in the coming weeks as far as the avatar goes.
 
I don't know if JT is a nice guy or a good pilot, but a do know that his looks who's talking movies, were so do stupid. The whole thing about a struggling pilot trying to build time, real originally, I wonder how he thought that up.
 
As for people "making the cut" like the rest of us, anyone who's been around as long as you Avbug, should stop playing devil's advocate and acknowledge that Santa Claus DE's do exist.
How long have I been around? Never make assumptions.

Who plays devils advocate? I'm sick to death of posters who only come here to attack others. Rather than coming aboard to attack, denegrate, and bring down, try contributing something some time. I'm sure you can do it.

Are there examiners who award certificates the unqualified? Sure, it happens. There are pilots flying for carriers that aren't worth spit, but who move up the chain based on seniority and retraining over and over. I've flown with them, and if you've been around the patch more than once, then you have, too.

I've seen the same in most segments of the industry, both pilots and mechanics. But then I've seen the same in hospitals and waiting rooms. I've seen the same in auto shops. And all sorts of places. Is there something about being a celebrity that means that these folks are automatically relegated to the bottom of the pile?

I don't have any of the Kotter episodes; haven't seen one for years, though occasionally I'll relapse and do my best Horshack impersonation. And back then I did think Mr. Kotter's wife was cute. And as I stated before, I've never met Mr. Travolta. I don't anticipate that I ever will. I asked if you have, and upon what personal experience you convict him or denegrate his character. I'm still waiting.

I don't know if Travolta is all that great in the sky, but I don't like the way the media tries to show these people as spokesmen for the industry.
The media is in the entertainment business. It always has been. Do you not know this?

Do you become agitated because you see a C-119 crash and then impossibly miraculously fly again in the latest cinema incrnation of flight of the phoenix? Of course not. It's a movie. So is whatever the media throws up to you. Accept that, and you'll be a lot happier.

It was later proven that he had over 29 hours of instrument training, so this accident for the most part is unexcusable.
29 hours of training makes disorientation inexcusable? Crikey. I have a whole lot more than that, and I still get disoriented. I still concentrate on instruments; it's never been a natural thing for me. Still isn't. Perhaps being a celebrity and all, JFK should be held to a different standard.

Death shows no bias based on fame, wealth, gender, or nationality.
That is the truth. Speaking of truth, everybody here, for whatever prejudices you hold, is a dead man. Each and every one of us. Before you jump to condemn, remember that the same fate, with a little variation, waits for you. Gauranteed.
 
I got line checked by a Fed who said he suspended Travolta's ticket for 180 days for buzzing his house in Maine with the 707. I guess the neighbors didn't care for the wake up call!

Don't know if it was true or what enforcement action was taken against the other crew members, but a funny story anyway.
 
FlyFastLiveSlow said:
I know that it's in Kentucky. Why, thinking about moving? And I have some others I'll be testing out in the coming weeks as far as the avatar goes.
Not sure.....my brother and I will most likely be doing some real estate business in that town and I might be spending some serious time there, but moving is not what I'd like to do.

I noticed that yours was one of the cities within a short drive and thought you might know a little about it's economy, quality of life, etc.

Have you heard anything about these things?
 
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What did you guys expect him to do? Give up millions of dollars in income to earn peanuts flying for the airlines?

If I had his bank roll, I'd have a 747 or 707 parked outside my house as well.

Oh yah, he's rich, so he must be a bad pilot. Thats it!
 
sqwkvfr said:
Not sure.....my brother and I will most likely be doing some real estate business in that town and I might be spending some serious time there, but moving is not what I'd like to do.

I noticed that yours was one of the cities within a short drive and thought you might know a little about it's economy, quality of life, etc.

Have you heard anything about these things?
I honestly know very little about it. I can ask a friend of mine based there, who's been crashpadding for several months what he thinks about it. Any specific questions you want me to ask?
 
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