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I know this has been covered a little in the past, but it usually seems to drift off with no real anwers. Moving on.....

I'm often impressed with how crafty and, well, smart some of the people around here are so maybe you all have some ideas on something for a guy like me to do with my free time. I have a lot of free time. Weeks go by with nothing for me to do and I would love to be able to think of something to do that would allow me the flexibility of being able to drop it if I needed to go out of town with my full-time employer.

I do some contract flying on the side, and I love doing it, but much more than 2 or 3 trips a month and the boss begins to wonder who I work for. That leaves me with probably 20 free days a month on average. Thoughts?
 
Nevermind.........back to the question. Anyone?
 
I really hope that you were being serious. If not I'll yet again be disappointed.

Assuming you were: Is that even safe?
 
Start an aircraft detailing business.

Ask around here how much guys pay to get the airplane detailed! You could make some decent money!
 
I'll take a stab at this: 1.5 years before I was furloughed I had the same issue, albeit for different reasons. I saw my 121 company and the industry as a whole loosing groun in QOL, pay, etc. I started looking for a "backup." I settled in the financial services industry. I first obtained a life insurance license (for about $200 total in my state) and started selling life insurance through a dozen carriers. I found I was replacing policies left and right. Rates have dropped so much in the past 5 years it was, and is, easy to sell the product. Many people needed it, and I didn't need product inventory, big investments, or anything that obligated me to the business. With a phone, computer, printer, internet connection, and some guts, I started talking to people and buying some life insurance leads. My first sale made me $825 selling a $250,000 20-year term policy with AIG to a 58 y/o lead. I made back my monetary investment in my first sale.

I did this for just over a year and then started working on obtaining a securities license so I could go back to all my life insurance clients and help them with their retirement. Now I sell products through companies like Fidelity, John Hancock, Prudential, AXA, Jackson National, etc. The big loss this week affected only my Jackson National clients who were up over 6% YTD already anyways, so they are still ahead of the game.

The learning curve was very steep in the beginning. Today I still run my business part time while continuing to fly. I focus on business retirement plans - takeover and startup 401(k)s and the such. I then work with all the participants one-on-one rolling over other retirement money, replacing life insurance, etc. I have a growing book of business that I could sell for a healthy chunck of change (not big, but it is sellable). I can work on the road (phone calls, faxes, e-mails), too.

The newflas here is that their are very few people in the financial business who have the flexability people like us have. What I mean is this: as pilots we have full time jobs to pay the bills. This is great because I have never been in a position where I HAD to make the sale to eat. Instead, because I continue to fly, I can always take time to do it right and help my client instead of pushing a commisionalbe product on them to make a buck. At the end of the day it's a sales business and not for everyone. My education alone (what I've learned) in the business has been worth every dollar and hour invested so far.

It's not for everyone, but it worked for me. The rewards: stay busy making money, get a real financial education (when you are foced to learn something yourself) meet all kinds of people, build a business and asset over time, etc. The downsides: The learning curve is steep, rejection can be often in the beginning, at times - as with any business - things can be very frustrating, regulations are crazy just like aviation, securities licensing costs lot ($2200), spousal support is crucial (as with any business).

Good Luck.
 
...also automotive detailing. Flight crews and pax leave on an overnight and come back to a squeaky clean car. The a/c detailers at my airport also do some auto detailing on the side.
 
AZ..Great post. Thanks for the insight. Everybody keep 'em coming, I really appreciate it.

There are guys in our hangar that already do the ac/auto detailing, so it would be tough to move in on them.

Again, thanks so far..............
 
I really hope that you were being serious. If not I'll yet again be disappointed.

Assuming you were: Is that even safe?

Dude, you fly a man-made machine at 40,000'! That's dangerous!:bomb:


I'm dead serious, no pun intended. You wanted a job with flexibility, here it is. I don't do it anymore, but used to on my 7 off. I chose which area I wanted to drive in, which days I wanted to work, (you have to work one 10 hour shift per month to maintain your license), and it was a good company with high-tech equipment. The pick-up location just popped up on a computer installed in the cab, and if you want it, take it, if you don't, wait for the next one.
 
Get a life and health license as AZ Typed said above. My angle on it would be a little different though. I would sell employee benefits to small and mid size employers (10-50 EE's). The commissions on these accounts are pretty healthy and they continue to pay you monthly. You can then go in and sell voluntary products to the same clients that stay in force much longer, most times even if the group leaves you at renewal time.

Selling employee benefits can be very lucrative. I built my company up to the size that I needed an aircraft to help cut my travel time as I expanded regionally. The last aircraft I owned was a Conquest before I sold the company. Now, I worked long , long hours and many years to get there but I would assume if you work smart and hard you could be making 40-60k by your second year with some luck. Remember that as long as these groups stay with you so do the checks each month. Once your in with the group there are sooooo many things you can sell them as their needs arise, such as Individual DI for the owners if there's a partnership, 401k, key man insurance, huge estate cases etc.

Your mileage may vary.
 
Real Estate might work. You can work from almost anywhere, and schedule appts for when you know you will be home. Also, since you are gainfully employed, you won't have to worry about starving to death when the housing market goes away.
 
I've thought about real-estate. Or some side line in it, like home inspections. My only concern with real-estate is that sometimes I have to go out of town on a day or two's notice. Would that be a problem?
 
I started rehabing houses and renting them out a few years ago. I had a guy I used to fly with who did the same he retired with 17 houses most of which were free and clear by the time he was 62. Seemed like a good backup to retirement. I just do 1 or so a year. I started doing it before all those shows on TV etc. on flipping. I have owned 5 different rental houses I currently have 4. Downside is the tenants. I have a wife that helps me out when problems come up on the road and a handyman type person that I can call when I can't get to a problem.

You can rehab them to sell that eliminates the tenant problem. You have to be careful on costs etc. if you try to flip and want to make money. It is not as easy as some shows on TV make it look. I taught myself pretty much everything from reading books and going to classes at Home Depot, Lowes and Menards. The nice thing is unlike your own house if you have to stop in the middle of a project you can just leave it and come back to it when you get back from a trip.
 
I know this doesn't pay very well, but how about volunteering in your community? I try to help out at my kids school whenever I can. I don't know where you are at, but perhaps join the volunteer Fire Dept.
 

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