Job offer, don't know what to do

[captainv]

55K for a chief pilot is a joke. Im assuming its a 91 job flying a 500 or SII. Keep in mind that not only will you be flying for this joker, but taking care of maint, training and other tasks. I've seen it a million times. Tread lightly and make sure you know 110% what is expected of you before you commit. Good Luck

No offense to the poster, but 2500TT for a "chief pilot" is a joke, too.

Is ASA/XJT a combined list or are they still separate? Between the two companies, you only need 2,000 pilots to leave for you to upgrade, and 50-seaters aren't exactly something I'd bet my career on.

 

[BoilerUP]

$55k to manage a Citation in the midwest is terrible. At least $20k too low, and even then its still a fair bit below average NBAA Jet II Chief Pilot pay.

And I say that as a guy who left a regional FO job with the same amount of total time you have about 4 years ago and manages a Citation in the midwest.

You should probably see if you are even insurable as PIC on the Citation, at the hull & liability figures the company/owner requires.

 

[BoilerUP]

Ultra. Columbus, OH. 182 days a year max. 3 weeks of vacation. Free medical. 50% match on 401k.

I'm sure 495 of your former colleagues who lost their jobs when the airplane sales ponzi scheme fell apart wish they were still making that kind of coin, too...

 

[pave driver]

Changed my mind

 

[fischman]

I'm sure 495 of your former colleagues who lost their jobs when the airplane sales ponzi scheme fell apart wish they were still making that kind of coin, too...

As do I. Got a lot of friends on that list.

 

[SLUF4]

55K is ridiculous for a citation chief pilot position. you have to wonder what kind of stability you'd have in that position. not that the airlines are stable, but sometimes these places just up and close shop or sell the jet one day. If it was me i'd stay put unless they come up on the pay closer to about 90K or more. Also you're QOL...who know what it'll be at the citation job. I know when i flew charter/corp. I was "on call" or doing other odd jobs just about every day.

 

[Twisted Mind]

55 is good money for a Citation F.O.! A few things scare the hell out of me about this Citation job. #1 is they are looking to hire a young totally inexperienced “chief” pilot. #2. They want to pay about ½ the going rate for a “chief” pilot. What else are they going to skimp on? Is it single pilot? I doubt they can get insurance for a 26 year old captain with 2500 TT 0 time in type. I remember having the insurance company jack our rates and have some significantly increased requirements when we put a 25 year old as PIC of a Cessna 206. I would say be very careful at worst and at best run the other way.

 

[Wankel7]

How many days off a month with the two jobs?

 

[pilotyip]

55K is ridiculous for a citation chief pilot position.

while between jobs, I would have leaped at this in a heartbeat. 55K pays a lot of bills, when combined with your wife's 30K.

 

[timmay]

There is also at least 3 year PIC within 5 years requirement to be a chief pilot. POI can waive at their discretion. Just something else to think about before you put your notice in.

 

[BoilerUP]

There is also at least 3 year PIC within 5 years requirement to be a chief pilot.

No such requirement Part 91.

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[timmay]

No such requirement Part 91.

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Didn't see where he mentioned pt 91. Does anyone fly around a single citation as a "chief pilot"? Aren't you pretty much just a pilot then?

 

[landlover]

Who knows what upgrade time will be. My guess, 3 to 5 years.

if you are hired as the chief pilot what will you be upgrading to, the owner of the airplane? usually the chief is already a captain.

 

[BoilerUP]

Didn't see where he mentioned pt 91.

I don't see where he mentioned 135/charter, or single pilot ops for that matter.

Chief Pilot is just a title, often meaning one has aircraft management responsibilities. I'm Chief Pilot for a one jet, two pilot flight department...and CP sounds a little more realistic for a department of that size than "Director of Operations"...even though both essentially do the same job regardless of department size.

 

[Jackie Moon]

I have the pay scales in front of me right now
Citation light jet captain varies by model from low 46,000 citation 1 to high citation excel 108,000. Average range is 50,000 - 85,000 for the same two aircraft. Chief pilot is low 50,000 to high 129,000. Average range 65,000 - 99,000. Will you make 50,000 forever? That makes a big difference. At asa next year you could make over 40,000 so it is only 10,000 more a year. If it takes you 3 more years to upgrade you have lost about 30,000 but you will make around 70,000 as a captain at ASA. 1.5 years makes that up and then you are making more every year. Not saying don't take it but I would look real hard. Why did the last guy leave? How is the QOL? Days off? On call? I did part 135 before I came here and even on reserve my QOL was so much better.

 

[superfreight208]

get out of regionals!

They will be parking your gas guzzling regional jet soon. Take the corporate job!

 

[SLUF4]

while between jobs, I would have leaped at this in a heartbeat. 55K pays a lot of bills, when combined with your wife's 30K.

maybe, but the poster isn't between jobs. you know as well as I do that the owner is just looking for a cheap way to get someone in that position.

 

[Sandhawk]

If your goal is the majors, stay on your CRJ.

If you want to fly corporate, take the Citation job. Networking is the way to advance in the corporate aviation arena - and you will meet a lot more corp pilots in an FBO vs an airline terminal...

 

[xjhawk]

accept the job but only with a written provision for if they cancel the position. The provision should include some sort of severance package