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JO: Our aggressive low cost bid for Delta flying may result in reductions at Comair

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Dear James:



I received a copy of your November 20, 2006 press release titled “Delta Connection Pilots Meet to Protect Profession Against Pitfalls of Bidding Wars.” I am both perplexed and disappointed with its contents, particularly given the fact you have repeatedly stated to me your highest priority as MEC Chairman is to advance the cause of Mesa pilots. After reading your comments in the context of this press release I strongly question whose interests were advanced, and at what expense. My concerns are apparently shared by many of our pilots who have emailed me directly regarding this issue. As I have discussed with you, the negotiations with Delta, regarding the affirmation of our current Delta Connection regional jet flying (30 aircraft) as well as opportunities to add incremental growth aircraft, are difficult and extremely competitive. I strongly believe your public support of Comair is misguided and comes at the expense of your fellow employees.



While we have had numerous discussions in which you state your commitment to “doing things differently”, your comments to the public are very much out of the “old school” labor playbook and if I had to guess are not even your own words. Your actions are clearly sending the wrong message to Delta and you are gambling with the careers and job security of the Mesa pilots. I should not have to remind you the Comair pilots strike caused extensive financial harm to both Delta and Comair and contributed to the extensive concessions sought by Comair in its bankruptcy proceeding. I’m sure you can appreciate that Delta likely takes a dim view of your support. And do you really think the Comair MEC Chairman would take a similar stand if the tables were turned?



We are fortunate Mesa is perhaps one of less than a handful of ALPA carriers not forced to seek concessions from its pilots in recent years. As we have discussed and you have agreed, Mesa pilots have experienced the most rapid advancement opportunities, the best job security and most financial reward of any other regional airline represented by ALPA. In addition contrary to your recent public statements, you are well aware of the significant efforts taken by the Company to improve daily operations through the introduction of new technology, new scheduling systems, enhanced communications, the addition of new procedures and personnel. You have been aware of these changes and have expressed to me your support of our efforts. You are also aware Mesa is possibly the only ALPA represented regional airline that can compete competitively with other non ALPA represented carriers.



I would like to get your clarification on one very important point and I think it is imperative you make your position clear with our pilots. Yesterday, Comair announced that it lost twelve CRJ-700 aircraft to a lower cost, non-union carrier. In your press release you stated: “. . . we fully support our fellow Delta Connection pilots. . . this kind of collaboration is key to building a solid cohesive union front.” It appears clear Mesa’s proposal will offer lower costs to Delta than Comair. Certainly our aggressive low cost bid for Delta flying is not in collaboration with Comair. If our current bid to Delta is successful it may result in further reduction in flying at Comair and therefore come at the expense of Comair pilots. Given this potential outcome, is it your preference that we withdraw our bid for this flying?





Most sincerely,







Jonathan G. Ornstein

Chairman & Chief Executive

Mesa Air Group, Inc.


 
WHAT A ******************************. Sounds to me like he is calling "James" stupid for starters. He highly believes that those were not his words he was using. WTF? Also, he says that the letter was clear labor tactics. What does he think his letter was? Gawd I just want to punish that guy.:smash:
 
As we have discussed and you have agreed, Mesa pilots have experienced the most rapid advancement opportunities, the best job security and most financial reward of any other regional airline represented by ALPA.

This is where I stopped reading. This guy actually believes his own B.S.
 
I am sorry but this whole thing is out of control. Between his public statement the other day and now this...
 
So, let me get this straight, he's all of a sudden concerned about his Comair bretheren once the planes are given to a company other than Mesa.

Kind of childish, its transparent that he plays dirty, and then cries foul when things don't go his way.
 
A Comair level contract at Mesa in 2007 seems like it would solve a lot of problems for both regional and mainline pilots.
 
Dear James:



II would like to get your clarification on one very important point and I think it is imperative you make your position clear with our pilots. Yesterday, Comair announced that it lost twelve CRJ-700 aircraft to a lower cost, non-union carrier.

Chairman & Chief Executive

Mesa Air Group, Inc.

Yet numerous previous e-mails of this type from this same individual emphasize that WE ARE the lowest cost airline, with the cheapest bids. Yet for some odd reason we didn't win the COEX flying, or the Delta flying.

This refusal to acknowledge that "cost isn't everything" will the be death of Mesa. I give it 2 years.
 
What a piece of work. When Mesa's contract comes up and you need someone to walk your line, I'm in. I wish any of us could do more, but the fact Frank Lorenzo is still alive proves that we pilots follow the rules.
 
If I was James I would respond with a big fat AFFIRMATIVE on the withdrawing the RFP bid, and attach a note saying pilots don't buy aircraft.
When is management going to realize they can't push anymore. It's time to make nice and work together towards a common goal.....
Good luck Mesa pilots
 
Be careful Mesa Pilots! Comair pilots might just file a lawsuit against you and say that you are hurting their career progresion! RJDCPartXXXX! These Comair pilots are still dreaming that their amazing strike meant something besides huge losses for everyone! What clowns!
 
Hey, maybe Comair pilots should vote to take a rate .01/hr cent lower than Skywest, Mesa, and CHQ for 50 seaters, and .01 cent/hr lower than ASA and Skywest for the 700, and .01 cent/hr less than Republic for the EMB170's and see if Delta awards them ALL the DCI flying!!!! Lets just see if hourly pilot costs control all this stuff. At least it would be fun to watch everyone else get a taste of their medicine....and by that I don't necessarily mean the pilots, but Ornstein, Bedford and Atkin, too.
 
J.O. is one of only about 3 other people on this entire planet that if I saw bleeding on the side of the road, I wouldn't spend time and pull over for him.....I'm steer right and take him the F--- out.

There's not many industries out there where you can say that less than a half dozen evil greedy men make it so much worse than it could be.

I hope the b---- of a wife he has burns the turkey tomorrow:)
 
Be careful Mesa Pilots! Comair pilots might just file a lawsuit against you and say that you are hurting their career progresion! RJDCPartXXXX! These Comair pilots are still dreaming that their amazing strike meant something besides huge losses for everyone! What clowns!

You sound like a disgruntled mainline Delta pilot. Sorry things haven't worked out the way you wanted them to, but you don't need to be an a$$. It is the mainline pilots that created this mess. Sorry the Comair stike hurt your presious little Delta. ASA might be next, and if it hurts your company more, so be it. Maybe ALPA will do something then, but probably not.
 
Put on the spot!

Seems to me that James has probably been talking out both sides. He has more than likely been telling the Mesa Pilots one thing and J.O.'s management something else. Sounds like J.O. has put him in a fairly precarious position. He is being asked to draw a line in the sand and it will be interesting to see which way he goes. If it was me, I would tell J.O. to pack sand and cancel the RFP. Talk about getting caught with your pants down.
 
You sound like a disgruntled mainline Delta pilot. Sorry things haven't worked out the way you wanted them to, but you don't need to be an a$$. It is the mainline pilots that created this mess. Sorry the Comair stike hurt your presious little Delta. ASA might be next, and if it hurts your company more, so be it. Maybe ALPA will do something then, but probably not.


That you Brieling? Lynn give you $10 allowance for another screen name?

VOTED IN FAVOR!
 
Question: Your stuck in the middle of the desert with a revolver in your hand but you only have two bullets. In front of you, and unarmed, is Osama BinLaden, Saddam Husein, and Johnathan Ornstien. What do you do??
Answer: Shoot Johnny O' twice.
 
You sound like a disgruntled mainline Delta pilot. Sorry things haven't worked out the way you wanted them to, but you don't need to be an a$$. It is the mainline pilots that created this mess.


Nope! Actually having a good time flying! As for who created this mess, you must be smoking something!
 
Question: Your stuck in the middle of the desert with a revolver in your hand but you only have two bullets. In front of you, and unarmed, is Osama BinLaden, Saddam Husein, and Johnathan Ornstien. What do you do??
Answer: Shoot Johnny O' twice.


Love it! That has to be the best post I've ever seen on Flightinfo.com!
 
Still, it's interesting:

When pilots see bull**it in management rhetoric, the pilots call them out on it and expect a response to what seems like disconnect; when the tables are turned and management calls the pilots out, the same tactic seems absolutely at odds with what is fair and best. Not saying that I'm a JO fan by any means, but the actions of raising a BS flag at least appears good for the gander (even if the qualitative premises in the letter are questionable), in attempting to find the aim of the MEC statement. I think holding accountable goes both ways...
 
Everything I know about the current MESA/Comair situation, I learned from this string. So I might not have all the info,....,....... But, the very fact that JO made this letter public shows me that he is also guilty of playing the same old game and using plays from the "old school" management playbook. JO, quite obviously, is trying to drive a wedge between Ackerman and his membership. It's management 101, "WE'D love to upgrade every pilot on our list, but the bad ol union is preventing our growth, so you need to blame your union". Hopefully, those on the MESA seniority list have the brains to see through JO's bs.

Still :-), but then again I don't work for JO!!!!!!!
 

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