JO Decides Code-Shares Are Better Than Flying Empty in HI

[islandhopper]

A ramper told me today that someone has already written home next to Go on the aircraft, and that there is now a security guard assigned exclusively to the plane.
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I heard the same thing from our mechs. I just drove home from a PM and no security tonight. Two HAL rampers on a tug were stalking it out though. I hope they had a molotav in between their seats. :bomb:

 

[Taco Rocket]

I heard the same thing from our mechs. I just drove home from a PM and no security tonight. Two HAL rampers on a tug were stalking it out though. I hope they had a molotav in between their seats. :bomb:

I don't understand why you guys are so afraid of a little competition. Is your operation that much of a joke that you are scared $hitless of JO and his 5 CRJs?? Dude if you have to live in fear of Mesa maybe it's time for you to find another career.....

 

[mdanno808]

I don't understand why you guys are so afraid of a little competition. Is your operation that much of a joke that you are scared $hitless of JO and his 5 CRJs?? Dude if you have to live in fear of Mesa maybe it's time for you to find another career.....

Could it be the fact that Mesa is not competing like any other sound minded business on earth? They are almost self admittedly in Hawaii to drive one or both of the other airlines out of business by charging fairs which guarentee financial losses (predatory pricing, seat dumping). This in turn will drive the management of these airlines to say something to the effect of "look what these Mesa guys work for! We need some concessions in order to stay in business" If this cycle starts, and continues, then it is probably a good idea to look for a new career. Each airline which is a decent company to work for that is driven out of business only ensures that you will probably retire an RJ captain for Mesa.
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[mdanno808]

Enough

You know what? Fukc you and Fukc your creepy looking scumbag CEO. You are trivializing over 3000 good jobs in a state where good jobs aren't all that common. You are defending a CEO who has admitted that his business plan will not make money (in fact he bragged that he could post losses for years) and have proven how little you know or care about this industry as a whole. GO airlines is not competition. THEY ARE HERE TO PUT LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE OUT OF WORK!
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[islandhopper]

I don't understand why you guys are so afraid of a little competition. Is your operation that much of a joke that you are scared $hitless of JO and his 5 CRJs?? Dude if you have to live in fear of Mesa maybe it's time for you to find another career.....

Your beloved CEO is out here for the wrong reasons. Us scared $hitless? Hardly... While he loses $$$ on every seat on every flight for the forseeable future with all his startup and training and fuel costs all we have to do is watch our yields. Aloha has the lowest costs of any airline in Hawaii. After exiting bankruptcy, we got our entire inter-island 737 fleet re-financed at prices lower than new Cessna Caravans. Those 737's, while very old, are still the most reliable little hot rods in the sky around Hawaii. Just try and stay out of our way after you clear your MEL's every morning. When we are full at MGTOW we will still smoke your Re Ject Go-jets even if you are, as JO bragged, empty for the next 5 years.

Love or hate your ceo (i cant tell which with taco rocket or most other mesa pilots that troll these forums) just stay the hell out of my way.

 

[islandhopper]

You know what? Fukc you and Fukc your creepy looking scumbag CEO. You are trivializing over 3000 good jobs in a state where good jobs aren't all that common. You are defending a CEO who has admitted that his business plan will not make money (in fact he bragged that he could post losses for years) and have proven how little you know or care about this industry as a whole. GO airlines is not competition. THEY ARE HERE TO PUT LOTS AND LOTS OF PEOPLE OUT OF WORK!
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dont forget they are also here because JO got his bluff called by Yucaipa. And if he doesnt make a go! at hawaii, no other airline will ever fear mesa properly again. Remember last year many were saying JO is bluffing just like he bluffed Comair in 2001? Well think just how valuable it is for mesa to protect their image of fear by making damn sure the next airline doesnt say

"mesa is bluffing just like they did in CVG in 2001 and Hawaii in 2005"

Throwing away $25 or $30 MIL in Hawaii is easily worth protecting the MYTH of mesa being some invincible powerhouse. Lets see if Mesa sticks it out past the $50 MIL mark.

Then again I also understand mesa's stock, being so undervalued compared to rival Skywest, is a ripe bargain for some Carl Icahn type looking for a hostile takeover, and this is what MESA is afraid of. They must dump some cash and with no airlines to takeover they will blow the cash in Hawaii trying to push HAL or AQ back into BK, frighten off any more investors, then they will go for the kill. They dont care who it is, either of us will do just fine by mesa. Nice business plan built on violation, fear, intimidation, predation, and ego! The mesa pilots understand this all too well.

The mesa pilots can claim ignorance but ignorance is no excuse, ask any law officer or judge. When I was at Mesa, I stood up to JO and Ferveda and them a$$holes regarding freedom and it just about cost me my career. It is now apparent I was rather the anomalous mesa pilot. The rest of you (with somewhat rare exception) have no spines.

 

[Taco Rocket]

You know what? Fukc you and Fukc your creepy looking scumbag CEO.

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Thanks for the personal insult -- comments like this will certainly endear many more of our pilots to your cause.

And to clarify: I could care less what you think of Mesa or JO. I have made no argument here to support or negate any of his positions.

 

[Taco Rocket]

Could it be the fact that Mesa is not competing like any other sound minded business on earth? They are almost self admittedly in Hawaii to drive one or both of the other airlines out of business by charging fairs which guarentee financial losses (predatory pricing, seat dumping).
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If true this would not be the first example in the industry. Was American "fair" to Vanguard on the DFW route?

 

[Taco Rocket]

YUs scared $hitless? Hardly... While he loses $$$ on every seat on every flight for the forseeable future with all his startup and training and fuel costs all we have to do is watch our yields. quote]


I do think a lot of people are scared. Because if they weren't there would be no reason to come on this board (and others) 24/7 to badmouth Mesa and its pilots.

Instead of posting what amounts to uninformed drivel about Mesa, you could take the high road and focus on your airline's better product, brand loyalty, and local roots.

 

[Taco Rocket]

Then again I also understand mesa's stock, being so undervalued compared to rival Skywest, is a ripe bargain for some Carl Icahn type looking for a hostile takeover, and this is what MESA is afraid of.

Congratulations we agree on something! With $300M+ in the bank the stock is undervalued. But whether Mesa is taken over or does the buying remains to be seen.

 

[islandhopper]

YUs scared $hitless? Hardly... While he loses $$$ on every seat on every flight for the forseeable future with all his startup and training and fuel costs all we have to do is watch our yields.

I do think a lot of people are scared. Because if they weren't there would be no reason to come on this board (and others) 24/7 to badmouth Mesa and its pilots.

Instead of posting what amounts to uninformed drivel about Mesa, you could take the high road and focus on your airline's better product, brand loyalty, and local roots.

24/7? My last post before yesterday was May 5th. Before that April 20th. I have better things to do with my time. Surf, fish, dive, etc. Interstingly enough, been doing the above activites with several mesa pilots that fall under the "rare exception" clause from above post.

"uninformed drivel"? Why reply to me then? Leave me alone to my madness if I am so "uninformed".

So why exactly is it that you, don't stand up to your ceo and his criminal ways? Please pick one or make up a new one!

Still need to get your 1000 PIC? Afraid to lose your job? Wife might divorce you? You would rather whore yourself to JO than (insert last occupation here)? This is the only way i'll ever fly a jet in Hawaii since (pick one or both aloha, hawaiian airlines) wouldn't hire me after I blew the gimme interview I got early on before all this mess. What exactly is it with you Taco Rocket?

A real mesa pilot would either ignore these forums knowing all the bashing to be true, or get in on the action and help bash mesa anonymously without getting fired too quickly.

 

[Soverytired]

Hah!! That didn't take very long!

A ramper told me today that someone has already written home next to Go on the aircraft, and that there is now a security guard assigned exclusively to the plane.


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Can't believe MAG didn't realize security would be 100% necessary to protect the aircraft (and the flying public) from a few crackhead crazies out on the islands.

Given Aloha's, Hawaiian's and Island Airs dominance of the market, union knuckle-dragger/blowhards in the industry, and Hawaii's unique (and backward) tribal culture, this sort of vandalism seemed pretty obvious to me.

Hmm . . . who's gonna watch the security guard though . . . .

 

[islandhopper]

Hmm . . . who's gonna watch the security guard though . . . .

Good point... the idiots at go! probably hired wackenhut

 

[wmuflyguy]

Can't believe MAG didn't realize security would be 100% necessary to protect the aircraft (and the flying public) from a few crackhead crazies out on the islands.

Given Aloha's, Hawaiian's and Island Airs dominance of the market, union knuckle-dragger/blowhards in the industry, and Hawaii's unique (and backward) tribal culture, this sort of vandalism seemed pretty obvious to me.

Hmm . . . who's gonna watch the security guard though . . . .

Hopefully no-one, it would be nice to have a picture of a Mesa airplane on cinderblocks, after someone stole the tires.

or is someone could find a boot to put on the airplane, that would be nice too.

 

[mdanno808]

Thanks for the personal insult -- comments like this will certainly endear many more of our pilots to your cause.

And to clarify: I could care less what you think of Mesa or JO. I have made no argument here to support or negate any of his positions.

I am not looking for your support, nor do I care for it. I also don't need the support of any others in the industry (in case you haven't read any other posts on this board, most people will take anyones side against Mesa or JO). You said that if the airlines in Hawaii were scared of a little competition then maybe we should get a new job. I am not scared of JO or the RJ's. I am scared of JO's plan to drive someone out of business, no matter the cost.

You are welcome for the personal insult, I've got plenty more of them. PM me.

DAn
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[mdanno808]

Can't believe MAG didn't realize security would be 100% necessary to protect the aircraft (and the flying public) from a few crackhead crazies out on the islands.

Given Aloha's, Hawaiian's and Island Airs dominance of the market, union knuckle-dragger/blowhards in the industry, and Hawaii's unique (and backward) tribal culture, this sort of vandalism seemed pretty obvious to me.

Hmm . . . who's gonna watch the security guard though . . . .

I guess Hawaii is the only place where vandals live. Does Atlanta or Chicago have a unique (and backward) tribal culture? There is plenty of childish, territorial behavior going on over there. Blocked transmissions, childish radio calls, insults made, etc. between the regionals has been going on for a while now. I guess the tribal culture of Hawaii is spreading. Beware!!!
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[list2002]

I am afraid all this "competition" in Hawaii is going to accomplish is a lower standard of life for pilots in this state. Even if Mesa is ousted you know Aloha and Hawaiian mgmt is going to jump at the chance to lower wages to remain competative while GO is in town. What a step forward for the industry. I may never get home.
Maybe some of the Mesa pilots got in before they realized what excatly they represent to the industry, and then it was "too late." But like it or not you have to take the brunt of it. You represent a direct threat to the lives of a large number of people who consider Hawaii their home, and who consider aviation in Hawaii a life long career. You don't DESERVE to be attacked or threatened... just don't EXPECT to be liked.

 

[Soverytired]

Besides, I wouldn't fly in Hawaii unless you paid me 100k per year.

. You don't DESERVE to be attacked or threatened... just don't EXPECT to be liked.

Hah!

Anyone who's been in the airline business knows that pilot have the emotional maturity of 6 year olds . . . . MINE MINE MINE! I'M BETTER THAN YOU! I HATE YOU!

Dosen't matter what airline you fly for . . . someone, somewhere thinks you're an a-hole for DARING to work for an airline who would have the AUDACITY to do somthing they don't like (fly "their" planes, "their" routes, fly in "that other" union, etc.)

So I don't read anything into this. Got radio "scabbed" for flying CRJ's in Cincinatti during the Comair strike (no, Mesa was NOT flying scabbed work); got scabbed again flying the Dash in CLT after CCAIR was acquired by Mesa (nobody even on strike on that one).

Pilots are big fat babies.