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JFK Needs More RJ'S

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JFK drags down reliability of Delta, JetBlue flights
Comments17| Recommend124h 41m ago from USA TODAY

Airlines flying from New York's JFK Airport had a difficult time operating on-time flights in August, the latest month for which data is available from the Department of Transportation (page 14). All 20 of the nation's most-chronically delayed flights for the month were either to or from JFK. Expanding that, 28 of the nation's 30 most-delayed flights and 42 of the worst-performing 50 flights all involved JFK. Predictably, that saddled several carriers that have a big JFK presence with a disproportionate number of the nation's most-chronically delayed flights. The DOT defines a late flight as one that arrives at the gate more than 15 minutes past its scheduled arrival time.
Delta suffered the worst, with 17 of the nation's 30 worst-performing flights operating under the Delta logo. Although none of those were mainline Delta flights, 16 of the nation's 30 most-frequently late flights were operated by Delta subsidiary Comair and one by Delta affiliate Atlantic Southeast. JetBlue, which has its main base at JFK, also was dragged down by the airport's woes. JetBlue accounted for 10 of the USA's 30 least-punctual flights. American and subsidiary American Eagle –- also big players at JFK –- accounted for remaining three flights of the worst 30.
For Delta, August was the second month in a row in which subsidiary Comair's flights dominated the list of the nation’s most chronically delayed flights. In July, Delta subsidiary Comair flew the eight most-chronically delayed flights for that month, including three that arrived late every time they flew. Overall, 19 of the nation's 30 most-chronically delayed flights flew under the Delta logo in July, though -- again -- all of the offending flights were operated by Delta's regional affiliates and not by Delta itself.
Back to August, Delta's Comair operated the nation’s three worst-performing flights, including two that arrived late every time they flew during the month. The worst-performing was Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5610 from Baltimore/Washington to JFK, which arrived late 100% of the time and by an average 85 minutes. Rounding out the five worst-performing flights were Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5109 (Cleveland to JFK, 100%, 59 minutes), Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5292 (Minneapolis/St. Paul to JFK, 96.8%, 94 minutes), JetBlue Flight 74 (Orlando to JFK, 96.8%, 85 minutes) and Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5588 (Norfolk, Va., to JFK, 96.3%, 79 minutes).
The three big New York airports -- JFK, LaGuardia and Newark Liberty -- have all encountered problems chronic delays over the past year, prompting the federal government to introduce flight caps and propose a controversial measure to auction off landing rights at the airports as a way to fight delays.
Read below for a full list of the nation’s 30 most-frequently late flights for August.
August's 25 most-chronically delayed flights
1. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5610 (BWI to New York JFK; late 100% of the time by an average of 85 minutes)
2. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5109 (Cleveland to JFK; 100%; 59 minutes)
3. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5292 (Minneapolis/St. Paul to JFK; 96.8%; 94 minutes)
4. JetBlue Flight 74 (Orlando to JFK; 96.8%; 85 minutes)
5. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5588 (Norfolk to JFK; 96.8%; 71 minutes)
6. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5614 (Charlotte to JFK; 96.3%; 79 minutes)
7. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5491 (Albany to JFK; 96.2%; 70 minutes)
8. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5440 (Washington Dulles to JFK; 95.8%; 62 minutes)
9. JetBlue Flight 3 (Buffalo to JFK; 93.6%; 111 minutes)
10. JetBlue Flight 36 (JFK to Rochester, N.Y.; 93.6%; 94 minutes)
11. JetBlue Flight 14 (Fort Lauderdale to JFK; 93.6%; 91 minutes)
12. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5521 (Boston to JFK; 93.6%; 89 minutes)
13. JetBlue Flight 154 (Orlando to JFK; 93.6%; 82 minutes)
14. American Flight 1522 (Orlando to JFK; 93.6%; 80 minutes)
15. JetBlue Flight 1076 (Richmond to JFK; 93.6%; 78 minutes)
16. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5480 (JFK to Detroit; 93.3%; 110 minutes)
17. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5211 (JFK to Buffalo; 93.3%; 77 minutes)
18. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5592 (Richmond to JFK; 93.1%; 61 minutes)
19. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5366 (Detroit to JFK; 92.9%; 77 minutes)
20. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5539 (Burlington, Vt., to JFK; 92.6%; 69 minutes)
21. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5496 (Boston to Bangor, Maine; 92.6%; 69 minutes)
22. American Flight 902 (Miami to JFK; 90.3%; 86 minutes)
23. JetBlue Flight 616 (Jacksonville, Fla., to JFK; 90.3%; 73 minutes)
24. JetBlue Flight 35 (JFK to West Palm Beach; 90.3%; 64 minutes)
25. AA subsidiary American Eagle Flight 4617 (Boston to JFK; 90.3%; 56 minutes)
26. JetBlue Flight 1080 (Charlotte to JFK; 90.3%; 53 minutes)
27. JetBlue Flight 192 (Las Vegas to JFK; 90.3%; 50 minutes)
28. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5430 (Sarasota, Fla., to Atlanta; 88.9%; 59 minutes)
29. Delta subsidiary Comair Flight 5490 (JFK to Albany; 88.5%; 32 minutes)
30. Delta subsidiary Atlantic Southeast Flight 4316 (Pittsburgh to JFK; 88%; 78 minutes)
Source: Air Travel Consumer Report (for August 2008 -- page 14-15), by the Department of Transportation


 

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Comair just sucks big time.

Liquidate now and let Mesa rein in the sloppy flying.
 

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When I was at Comair, the then Chief Pilot SB told us during upgrade training that Delta would routinely swap slot times with mainline flights and hold Comair flights on the ground. This would give Delta a better on time performance and then he said, "quite frankly nobody expects great service from a regional carrier anyways." Isn't he the VP of Flt Ops now? With that attitude and the fact that Delta is running 18 flights out of 2 gates it's a wonder they have any flights on time at JFK.
 

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When I was at Comair, the then Chief Pilot SB told us during upgrade training that Delta would routinely swap slot times with mainline flights and hold Comair flights on the ground. This would give Delta a better on time performance and then he said, "quite frankly nobody expects great service from a regional carrier anyways." Isn't he the VP of Flt Ops now? With that attitude and the fact that Delta is running 18 flights out of 2 gates it's a wonder they have any flights on time at JFK.

Now tell us about the bad performance numbers from Freedon!!! BS.
 

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"Now tell us about the bad performance numbers from Freedon!!! BS."

Who is Freedon?

You probably meant "Freedom Airlines", also known as Mesa Airlines.

In your haste to make a quick and stabbing reply I'm sure you just misspelled it.

Thanks for the post.
 

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Man things must be getting bad at Comair, a few years back they had a great operation.
 

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Reminds me of my response to AA management when they started their incessant JetBlue is "coming/here/growing/a threat/killing us" mantra.

Nobody asked for my plan, which was right from the start, cram every little crap 37 and 44 seater AMR RJ into JFK during JB's peak times, along with LGA and EWR turns if you had too.

If they'd done it, at least I could sit back and say AA treats their competition with equal or worse contempt than their employees ;)
 

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When I was at Comair, the then Chief Pilot SB told us during upgrade training that Delta would routinely swap slot times with mainline flights and hold Comair flights on the ground. This would give Delta a better on time performance and then he said, "quite frankly nobody expects great service from a regional carrier anyways." Isn't he the VP of Flt Ops now? With that attitude and the fact that Delta is running 18 flights out of 2 gates it's a wonder they have any flights on time at JFK.

Flight slots are assigned a flight number. So if Delta was taking your flight number (which I highly doubt) then that would be true.
 

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The top 8 flights Depart between 330 and 600p. Probably one of the worst times of day to be going to JFK.

I bet if they looked, ATC caused 90%+ of those delays.

Not to mention in August there was a time we arrived on time and the Delta Ops guy said they had more planes scheduled to be there than they had gates. Good job. What did we do? waited an hour for a gate, making us 45 minutes late.

I have waited 2 hours for a gate there this summer.
 
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Muskycat:
I'm pretty sure that airlines have a lot of flexibility with the slots they are given. We used to carry a United dispatcher from SBN-ORD (commuting to work). When it came out that there was a 2 hour wheels up, he'd get on the phone. Five minutes later, ground would call up and say they need us in the air immediately.
Each airline can swap slots, and most do, looking at international connections, total number of affected passengers, high-mileage customers, etc.
On the shuttle, for example, we'd cancel a 3:30 flight, and the 4:30 flight would get a new ATC callsign (flt 9950) and use the 3:30's slot.
 

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We used to carry a United dispatcher from SBN-ORD (commuting to work). When it came out that there was a 2 hour wheels up, he'd get on the phone. Five minutes later, ground would call up and say they need us in the air immediately.

Would this certain UAL Dispatcher have the initials Papa Bravo? :)
 

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never caught his name.... but wished he'd have been in the back for every leg!
 

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Flight slots are assigned a flight number. So if Delta was taking your flight number (which I highly doubt) then that would be true.

I don't know if Delta does that at JFK but I do know, from personal experience, that United does that at IAD occasionally.
 

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I don't know if Delta does that at JFK but I do know, from personal experience, that United does that at IAD occasionally.

US Airways pulls the same trick all the time. My understanding is that the operations folks at the various airlines are able to "bargin" in some ways with the traffic management folks at the centers. Maybe an ATC guy can chime in and tell us how it works?
 

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I used to work for a UAX carrier, and once we would get our slot times from UA, if I really needed a plane in a better slot, I would just usually call Center TMU, or the Customer Advocate at System Command Center, and 9 times outta 10, get a better slot time...

The ones we would get from UA would really suck, and they would even violate their own rules on how much delay they would give a UAX flight. It got to calling UA for better times was just a waste of a fone call; that they didnt want to hear from us "lowly" express-folk.
 
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