Jetblue ?'s

[CRJammin]

I don't think too long. The major issue is how long to hold a line which right now is quite a while.

"too long", best guess?
"line holder", again please...best guess?
Thanks

Also, is reserve so bad? Honestly, curious. Thanks again.

 

[slackass]

It will still be a two airplane fleet when B6 merges with F9.

 

[CRJammin]

"too long", best guess?
"line holder", again please...best guess?
Thanks

Also, is reserve so bad? Honestly, curious. Thanks again.

 

[CRJ900Pilot]

I am a Sept 06 new hire and can not hold long beach yet....I am about 50 numbers from holding it which will put it at 11-13 months to hold long beach.

I can however hold a line in JFK

 

[CRJammin]

How long for a line there?

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I am a Sept 06 new hire and can not hold long beach yet....I am about 50 numbers from holding it which will put it at 11-13 months to hold long beach.

I can however hold a line in JFK

Really? I am pretty sure some classmates of mine (Nov 05) still don't have lines in LGB. One of us is smoking crack. Could be me, I'll have to call one of them.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

How long for a line there?

2-10 months, depending on hiring, i.e. timing. I would bet closer to 2 for the next 6 months or so.

 

[jhwk0309]

While we're on the seniority issue, how is it determined on day 1 of class? Is it by age, social security #, or just by good looks?

 

[sayagain?]

While we're on the seniority issue, how is it determined on day 1 of class? Is it by age, social security #, or just by good looks?

Before someone on here comes on and says that sen. is determined by who can clean out a row of seats the fastest, I'll kill that rumor and say that sen. is determined by age.:laugh:

 

[CRJammin]

2-10 months, depending on hiring, i.e. timing. I would bet closer to 2 for the next 6 months or so.

I meant for how long to hold Long Beach reserve and how long for a line?

 

[elag777]

While we're on the seniority issue, how is it determined on day 1 of class? Is it by age, social security #, or just by good looks?

By who has been at an Alpa carrier before....:nuts:
Age.

 

[Airbus_Driver]

As of today, there are people upgrading to Captain on the A320 who have been with the company under 3 years. Remember, this is the airline business........anything and everything is subject to change, no matter what name or paint scheme is on the plane.

I just left JetBlue in March, and at that time upgrades to Reserve in JFK on the 320 were running at about 5 years. Captain's were sitting on Reserve for approximately 2 years thereafter. My classmates (hire date of 4/06) who chose to fly the 190, were telling me upgrade was around 24-30 months. Not the 12-18 that the company had indicated.

I was on Reserve in JFK as an FO for 12 months. Fun place to work but as an FO, the compensation was unsatisfactory. I was hoping for a quick upgrade when I arrived but that reality quickly diminished when JetBlue decided to sell 5 Airbus's in 2006.

Has this information changed?

 

[clickclickboom]

I just left JetBlue in March, and at that time upgrades to Reserve in JFK on the 320 were running at about 5 years. Captain's were sitting on Reserve for approximately 2 years thereafter. My classmates (hire date of 4/06) who chose to fly the 190, were telling me upgrade was around 24-30 months. Not the 12-18 that the company had indicated.

I was on Reserve in JFK as an FO for 12 months. Fun place to work but as an FO, the compensation was unsatisfactory. I was hoping for a quick upgrade when I arrived but that reality quickly diminished when JetBlue decided to sell 5 Airbus's in 2006.

Has this information changed?

So you already left, were in the Feb 15th 2006 class and didnt hold the line for a year?

Reserve for the most junior 04/06 pilot was 3-4 months depending on your completion of ioe.

An 05/06 190 FO just upgraded to capt on the 190 that puts upgrade at 14-15 months BUT current new hires FO's can expect longer..

There are nearly 100 current 190 capts that can hold capt on the bus..the fence comes down in october and my guess is that many are going to bid 320 capt.. The current senior 320 fo's " may " bid over to capt stagnating 190 fo upgrades for a while.. HOWEVER 320 fo's that have been here for between 1 and 2 years are getting good productive lines. Personally i will stay in the bus as an fo for the QOL I've got my 4000 jet pic

The sen # of the junior 190 capt is right around 1425 give or take

Counting newest IOE pilots our list is around 1840 and should hit 2000 ish by the end of the year.

 

[Splert]

Reserve for the most junior 04/06 pilot was 3-4 months depending on your completion of ioe.

If you are refering to A320 FOs you are wrong. April-May/06 (Classes 08/06 and 09/06 and 10/06) A320 FOs were on RSV for 10 months some by choice for a year. The next A320 class after that was October or November?

Those poor bastards were in my crash pad.

They were the class that arrived right before the fleet plan adjustments.

For those hired in May this year I would expect the same treatment.

 

[dudemize]

For those hired in May this year I would expect the same treatment.

I sure hope not! Maybe those new reserve callout rules will be in place to ease the pain.

 

[Splert]

I sure hope not! Maybe those new reserve callout rules will be in place to ease the pain.

The new rules will only help if we are staffed. Unfortunatly, we have just proven we can operate at below min. staffing levels.

Nice job...

 

[SNOWBUM]

I sure hope not! Maybe those new reserve callout rules will be in place to ease the pain.

those new reserve rules will be used a lot on small bases and rarely on big bases ( read jfk reserves will still be in short call most of the time ) to make the operation more manageable at big bases ( read we can't run reserves because of crew squed is highly untrained and in competent).

 

[dudemize]

With the short staffing I guess it really doesn't matter because it sounds like you will be used everyday anyway (at least at JFK), so might as well hang in the crashpad.

 

[Fins Up]

The reserve numbers are coming back up. Feb and March sucked for dropping/swapping trips but April and May are much better. Hopefully that will continue.

 

[aewanabe]

Any news/rumors on May class dates for those of us floating along in Phase II?

 

[slackass]

Every two weeks. Next class should be May 9th.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

So you already left, were in the Feb 15th 2006 class and didnt hold the line for a year?

Reserve for the most junior 04/06 pilot was 3-4 months depending on your completion of ioe.

An 05/06 190 FO just upgraded to capt on the 190 that puts upgrade at 14-15 months BUT current new hires FO's can expect longer..

There are nearly 100 current 190 capts that can hold capt on the bus..the fence comes down in october and my guess is that many are going to bid 320 capt.. The current senior 320 fo's " may " bid over to capt stagnating 190 fo upgrades for a while.. HOWEVER 320 fo's that have been here for between 1 and 2 years are getting good productive lines. Personally i will stay in the bus as an fo for the QOL I've got my 4000 jet pic

The sen # of the junior 190 capt is right around 1425 give or take

Counting newest IOE pilots our list is around 1840 and should hit 2000 ish by the end of the year.

Even if 100 190 captains bid A320 CA, it will take about a year or more for them to filter out. They will be restricted to airbus training slots (currently, 6-10 or ... zero). Plus they will be competing with the FOs that bypassed over the years to avoid reserve. Movement will happen, but it will be slow.

As for the junior 190 CA, be very afraid. Reserve could last a long time. Mid level 320 FOs may jump at the 190 CA in the fall (not senior, the senior FOs will probably take the chance that a 320 upgrade will come w/i two years however irrational that may be, read the first paragraph again). I have made up my mind to do it, because I firmly believe a 320 CA slot is more than 2 years away (for me). That's my take. Still a lot in the air. LC/SC reserve may also slow down 320 CA upgrades if pilots that have been bypassing it because of reserve suddenly have a change of heart.

I am thinking that if I upgrade come winter I will have about 50-60 190 CAs below me -- sayonara to any reserve with a cushion like that. Plus all the growth out west will be in the 190. Can you say no redeyes and good layovers? Sure the plane breaks a lot and your FO may be a 24 year old regional wonder with a lot of goo in his hair, but I bet he's a pretty good wingman and he runs OPS like the bomb. And of course, I'm the bomb and he's looking like money and they're gonna give Daddy the Rainman suite. We're all big winners and the beautiful babies know it.

My opinions of course.

 

[IronCityBlue]

Sure the plane breaks a lot and your FO may be a 24 year old regional wonder with a lot of goo in his hair, but I bet he's a pretty good wingman and he runs OPS like the bomb. And of course, I'm the bomb and he's looking like money and they're gonna give Daddy the Rainman suite. We're all big winners and the beautiful babies know it.

My opinions of course.

I like the way this guy thinks! :beer:

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I like the way this guy thinks! :beer:

Iron -- did we share a crashpad over at BB's back in early 2006? BB lived downstairs.

Creaky floor, crappy kitchen, tons of dudes sitting reserve in the tiny living room watching the Sopranos on HBO On Demand? I left before they painted that one huge sleeper.

 

[SNOWBUM]

cheff, where did you hear about the 190 expansion out west? I only heard about the 44 daily flights out of sfo/oak by the end of the year on the 320

 

[coogebeachhotel]

I will leave the "goo" thing alone.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I will leave the "goo" thing alone.

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. still laughing, five minutes later.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

cheff, where did you hear about the 190 expansion out west? I only heard about the 44 daily flights out of sfo/oak by the end of the year on the 320

Connect the dots, you Bum.

MCO = bad rumor. Base out west = safe bet. I'd say more, but then I'd betray my handlers.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

So a migration of 190's West?

Reminds me of an exercise with the Ozzies. Sent an squadron of 15's down to Australia. Broke down all over the Pacific. Tech's flying all over creation to get the birds back up.

too funny

 

[Lake Alice]

There is no way the 190 is going west. What are we going to do now open an account with FedEx and UPS and ship those pieces of sh!t out there?