JetBlue require resign seniority?

[potrack]

Does JetBlue ask you to resign seniority number and callback rights at X airline if you are a furloughed person?

 

[chazman]

Two year no compete clause.

You probably won't want to leave anyway.

Chaz

 

[blahshmah]

The no compete clause starts on the first day of training and only restricts you from returning to your previous airline for two years. After that you are free to go back to your former airline. Like Chazman said, you won't want to leave anyway.

 

[AKAAB]

The idea is that in two years JB feels it will have recouped its investment in training and such. If after two years, you don't want to work at JetBlue, why would we want to make you stay? If we made you sign away recall rights we'd be stuck with you. You'd probably resent it the rest of your career - making you a grouchy captain. Who wants that?
Cheers!
AKAAB

 

[Publishers]

question

If you are asking this question, you are probably not right for the job.

 

[Dizel8]

Publisher,

Not sure if that remark was tongue in cheek, but if it was not, there is some truth to that statement.

 

[TexaSWA]

Re: question

If you are asking this question, you are probably not right for the job.

What makes taking a job while waiting for recall right at one place and wrong at another?

He asked a simple question. There is nothing wrong with wanting to return to your original carrier. If another carrier doesnt require you to renounce your number, then taking a job with them as an interim position is fine.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

Re: question

If you are asking this question, you are probably not right for the job.

Youre probably not right for this board.

 

[Sam Fisher]

There is a furloughed CAL pilot I believe who is accepting recall back at CAL. Apparently he was expecting upgrade and it wasn't going to come as quickly as his finances needed it to, so he needed to go back to the higher paying job at CAL. He approached JB's management with this decision and to their enormous credit, offered him a loan for the difference of Captain pay and FO pay until he upgrades. I must say, that is a classy offer on the part of JB management. I hope to one day work there.

Sam

 

[Dizel8]

"There is nothing wrong with wanting to return to your original carrier."

I may get flamed for this, but yes, I do have a problem with that.

As someone who has an vested interest in my company, I am not particularily pleased, that the company I work for, should go through the time, effort, not to mention expense of hiring someone, who is only there until he gets recalled. jetBlue has made the decision, not to ask people to resign from their previous employer, something that certainly is very kind. Of course, we figure, that once people get here, they will want to stay. However, I certainly cannot condone, someone using this only as a temporary job. That is just my personal opinion, not the companys.

If however, an applicant think this is perfectly reasonable, then honesty would require one to mention it at the interview. Something along the lines of: "Hey, you guys got a great little airline, but I am only here until XYZ calls me back." I cannot speak for the company, but if I was the interviewer, that would fly about as well as a lead ballon.

So, in my eyes, if it is so important to you, not to resign from your previous carrier, then obviously, jetBlue is only a temporary job for you and hence, I would rather not see the company go through the trouble. Would much rather see them hire someone, who wishes to have a career here.

(The above represent my personal opinions and convictions)

 

[blahshmah]

I think most JB pilots that have recall rights won't go back.

Still, for those not yet employed with JB, it is important to know what they are getting into with regards to this non-compete contract. Nobody knows how much they love working here until after they work here!

So, I think this is a valid question for anyone with recall rights or those that are unsure if this clause affects them. I did look at this when I was about to start because I had another job offer (it only affects recall rights from previous airline and therefore didn't apply). I thought I would really like JB which is why I took this job over the other but I wanted to know what my options were if I didn't enjoy the job. Life is too short to hate your work. Anyway, I love working here, which is what I expected, but I wasn't sure until I was on the inside.

Again, nobody should turn down a job with any carrier based on the hopes of recall or the eventual call from your dream job because you really don't know if it will ever come. JetBlue is a great place to work and most that check in will never leave. Good luck to those that want to work for JetBlue.

 

[dlredline]

. . . JetBlue is a great place to work and most that check in will never leave. . .

For what it's worth: Worked for my previous major airline for 15 years, enjoy full recall rights (last out the door, so I'd be first one of the first recalled), and I for one never plan to go back.

 

[canyonblue]

I remember the look on my wifes face when I asked her" When we get married do I have to quit seeing my ex-girlfriend". She said "If you have to ask me that.........." hey wait I know where this is going.

 

[yaks]

So every furloughee should remain unemployed until he is recalled? Give me a break.

 

[IB6 UB9]

What?

Dizel8

Sorry, but I could not disagree with you more. I bet you find more than a handful of people that eventually return to a previous carrier once this recent downturn in our industry picks back up again. Major airlines will be healthy again someday and offering the same QOL that we do, but in different cities...quite possibly where the aforementioned have resided their whole lives. JB offers one of the best working environments I have ever seen, but who's to say one can't get the same somewhere else, one that doesn't include a commute to JFK and a crashpad in KEW. Back in the 90's when things were good, when the economy was raging, etc., airline jobs offered a gooooood living, one that will return. As far as mentioning that in an interview...uuhhh...no. How do you know what factors affect your decision that may be years away. If someone wants to go back to an original carrier, well, good luck, seriously. If anything, it just opens up another position here for someone else who might need it.

 

[zonker]

I think anyone who is senior to me should definitely consider returning to their old carrier.

 

[aroundtheblock]

I also do not agree with Dizel8. Any furloughed guy, or any applicant for that matter, has 1st a responsibility to himself and his family. If JB paid as much as a returning 5-15 year major airline pilot and had better bases than NYC, then most guys would stay. Living in the South, I'd rather go back to my higher paying/no commute proven airline than JB. But in the meantime, I'd suck it up and do what I have to do to provide for the family.

 

[Dizel8]

Hey, like I said, it is just my personal opinion.

I understand mans gotta do what mans gotta do!

 

[calfo]

It's all about seniority... that said, it depends on how much time you have invested in your first job. I've heard of CALExpress pilots that got furloughed after flying for a year, got a job with ACA, got recalled after two years, and didn't go back. That's an easy one. The tougher one is a United furloughee that has ten years seniority in the bank (with retirement, B plan, 401k, etc) to come back to. How much of that does he have to look forward to at JetBlue?

There's more to this business than upgrade time.

 

[dlredline]

It's all about seniority... that said, it depends on how much time you have invested in your first job. I've heard of CALExpress pilots that got furloughed after flying for a year, got a job with ACA, got recalled after two years, and didn't go back. That's an easy one. The tougher one is a United furloughee that has ten years seniority in the bank (with retirement, B plan, 401k, etc) to come back to. How much of that does he have to look forward to at JetBlue?

There's more to this business than upgrade time.

Like I said, I had 15 years at USAirways and would be first to get recalled, but I'll never go back. What would I be going back to? Bottom of the list, no retirement, many more years before upgrade, and that's if the place survives.

Some see it as giving up 15 years of toil and sweat. I consider it another life experience. I'll miss the group I worked with, and the fun times, but I won't miss the lack of job security, the uncertainity of the future, and frustration of a rudderless management team. Sometimes you have to let go, chalk it up as another bend in the road of life, and move on. Will my current adventure last? Who knows, but I have more confidence in this group than than the one I left, and I'll certainly enjoy the ride as long as it does last.

To me, it's all about the journey, not the destination.

Red