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JetBlue planning large BOS expansion

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10 gates come on-line as DL moves into their renovated terminal. Jetblue is supposed to have a big announcement on their plans for BOS. I look for BOS to be right behind JFK as far as size in the next few years, with a large 190 base as well as 320.



JetBlue to gain gates as it beefs up service from Logan

By Keith Reed, Globe Staff | February 1, 2005

JetBlue Airways is expected to outline plans tomorrow for a major expansion at Logan International Airport that will involve moving to another terminal where it will have more gates as it prepares for service increases.

JetBlue, which currently has just two gates in Terminal E, is considering a significant increase in its flight schedule from Logan and will move its operations into Terminal C after Delta Air Lines moves out in March, an executive familiar with the plans said.

Delta is renovating Terminal A, and its move to that terminal will free up 10 gates and a number of ticket counters.

It was not clear yesterday how many of the gates JetBlue might use.

In all, Logan has 84 gates.

A JetBlue spokesman declined to comment on the airline's plans.

Officials at the Massachusetts Port Authority, which owns Logan, also declined to comment on JetBlue's plans at the airport.

JetBlue is adding 22 new planes to its fleet this year, and its chief executive, David Neeleman, has long talked about his desire to grow in Boston. Last month, Neeleman said he would like to start operating flights between Boston and New York, challenging the hourly shuttles run by US Airways and Delta.

JetBlue's coming growth in Boston marks the latest step in its maturation from an upstart airline that gained a following with cheap fares, television screens at every seat, and an emphasis on service. The five-year-old, New York-based carrier is becoming a powerful national airline, following in the footsteps of the low-fare king, Dallas-based Southwest Airlines, as it forces competitors to react to its presence in every new city to which it flies.

Dan Kasper, managing director and head of the aviation practice at LECG LLC, a Cambridge consultancy, said he expects Boston to become a so-called focus city for JetBlue, where the airline would have dozens or even hundreds of flights, but not a hub operation.

He said he expects JetBlue to add more flights to West Coast cities it already serves from Boston, and then to add flights to other cities where it has operations but doesn't currently fly to from Logan.

Those cities include Seattle; Sacramento, Calif.; Salt Lake City; Phoenix; and Syracuse, N.Y.

There is also a possibility that JetBlue would enter cities like Pittsburgh or St. Louis, where business traffic is significant but where larger airlines have decreased service in recent years, Kasper said.

American Airlines service to St. Louis has dwindled, leaving it ripe for a low-fare carrier to come in, he said. Southwest is planning to start service to Pittsburgh this spring, stepping up its battle with US Airways over Northeast passengers.

''I expect sooner or later that AirTran or JetBlue is going to pick that up," Kasper said of service to Pittsburgh.

JetBlue now flies to nine cities from Boston, including four in Florida, three in California, plus Denver and Las Vegas. That allows the airline to get the most out of its fleet of Airbus A320 jets, which can fly 3,000 miles without refueling.

But the airline will start receiving the first of 200 smaller planes that it has on order this year, planes with a 2,000-mile range that are better suited to quick flights from Boston to the Midwest or elsewhere in the Northeast.

In an interview Jan. 7, Neeleman said he has ambitious plans for Boston, including flying to John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York and elsewhere with the new planes.

The New York runs could also connect Boston passengers to the airline's flights to the Caribbean and other cities, he said.
 
Front Office said:
It does great, this year we had just a few fuel stops, due to IFR on the west coast. VFR no problems.


I personally wouldn't call it a "great" west coast aircraft out of BOS during the winter...

But....

With careful flight planning and some payload restrictions....
It does all right...

The additional center fuel tank program was adbandoned after the Airbus numbers didn't work out....
 
Does Jetblue fly threw each hub?What I mean is does a LGB based pilot ever going to fly from JFK to FLL.
 
Doesn't surprise me that the E190 would be used to build or supplement routes out of BOS. Anyone know what kind of range to expect out of a full E190? Could you do BOS to PHX or BOS to LAS during the summer? I have flown on the E170 as a pax and I am a fan of the aircraft - I am sure the E190 will be even nicer. Too bad JetBlue pilots will be paid so poorly to fly the bird...
 
On Your Six said:
Doesn't surprise me that the E190 would be used to build or supplement routes out of BOS. Anyone know what kind of range to expect out of a full E190? Could you do BOS to PHX or BOS to LAS during the summer? I have flown on the E170 as a pax and I am a fan of the aircraft - I am sure the E190 will be even nicer. Too bad JetBlue pilots will be paid so poorly to fly the bird...
It was posted last week that Barger said the 190 would do 2000nm into 85% Boeing Winds(whatever that means). The cities furthest west would probably be SLC, DEN, ALQ, and AUS. They could also do the three ski resorts in Colorado -Aspen, Vail, and Durango.

190's out of Boston will probably fly SYR, ROC, BUF, and a contingent of new cities in the MidAtlantic, South, and Midwest.
 
lowecur said:
It was posted last week that Barger said the 190 would do 2000nm into 85% Boeing Winds(whatever that means). The cities furthest west would probably be SLC, DEN, ALQ, and AUS. They could also do the three ski resorts in Colorado -Aspen, Vail, and Durango.

190's out of Boston will probably fly SYR, ROC, BUF, and a contingent of new cities in the MidAtlantic, South, and Midwest.

It MIGHT be able to get into Vail, but I seriously doubt that the airplane would be able to get out with full/alt fuel and a load of people. Aspen direct, even less likely.
 
Lowecur,


Aspen? I doubt that. The only airline sized aircraft into Aspen are BAe 146s and Dash 8s, and that is because they can meet obstacle clearance on departure with flaps 40 takeoffs. (I believe that is the reason)


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
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dojetdriver said:
It MIGHT be able to get into Vail, but I seriously doubt that the airplane would be able to get out with full/alt fuel and a load of people. Aspen direct, even less likely.
1627nm. I think they may give it a try if the pax are there. Heaven knows those Cambridge people luv Vail more than Vermont.:)
 
General Lee said:
Lowecur,


Aspen? I doubt that. The only airline sized aircraft into Aspen are BAe 146s and Dash 8s, and that is because they can meet obstacle clearance on departure with flaps 40 takeoffs. (I believe that is the reason)


Bye Bye--General Lee
Okay.
 
lowecur said:
1627nm. I think they may give it a try if the pax are there. Heaven knows those Cambridge people luv Vail more than Vermont.:)[/QUOT


Looks like General Lee can type faster than me.

I don't know if you are a pilot or not, but there is a thing called single-engine go around performance. If you took one on T-O and the field you just left was the best place to go, I seriously doubt the EMB would be able to perform a SE go and outclimb the terrain in ASE OR Eagle, with full people, full/alt fuel if it had to.

Last I knew, AWAC and maybe Masaba were the only people that flew jet aircraft into ASE under 121 ops using the 146 and I'm pretty sure it's probably because it has four engines and not 2. Maybe an AWAC guy can chime in on the details here.

Anybody know why the BAC jet has 4 engines, becasue 6 won't fit. Ha ha, I love that joke.
 
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Lowecur,

It is obvious that you are an analcyst and don't know much about actually flying aircraft. But, that is ok. You also don't seem to understand that outside forces, like westerly winds in the Wintertime, can affect the quoted range of certain aircraft. Add a little weight (like a full plane with bags) and a little weather (the need for destination alternates etc) and you won't even come close. A lot of those destinations you speak about are just dreams, at least nonstop. I will be very surprised if I ever see Jetblue fly full E190s from BUF to Vail.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
General Lee said:
Lowecur,

It is obvious that you are an analcyst and don't know much about actually flying aircraft. But, that is ok. You also don't seem to understand that outside forces, like westerly winds in the Wintertime, can affect the quoted range of certain aircraft. Add a little weight (like a full plane with bags) and a little weather (the need for destination alternates etc) and you won't even come close. A lot of those destinations you speak about are just dreams, at least nonstop. I will be very surprised if I ever see Jetblue fly full E190s from BUF to Vail. So would I. Most people in Buffalo couldn't afford a can of Genny.:D


Bye Bye--General Lee
I want you to drop and give me 50 mister!:)
 
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General Lee Wrote:"It is obvious that you are an analcyst and don't know much about actually flying aircraft."


Is this a Cyst on the Anal? Never heard someone called an "Anal Cyst" Man things get personal in here.
 
holdon said:
"It is obvious that you are an analcyst and don't know much about actually flying aircraft."


Is this a Cyst on the Anal? Never heard someone called an "Anal Cyst" that's good.;)
Stop giving GL credit for repeating something I started.:)
 
General Lee said:
Lowecur,

I will be very surprised if I ever see Jetblue fly full E190s from BUF to Vail.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Actually back in the day US Air had 737's from BOS to ROC and BUF. Those flights always had 90 to 110 people on board.
 
B6Busdriver,


I meant the E190s to Vail due to the range issues in the Wintertime. Lowecur was speculating on future E190 routes from BUF and stated Vail, Aspen, and Durango. I thought the E190 might not be able to make it with headwinds and a full load all the way to Vail.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 

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