Jetblue PIC time requirement?

[buttercup]

Does anyone know if the 1000 pic requirement can include that time as a flight instructor? Thanks

 

[aroundtheblock]

I would think you could count it as long as you were instructing in a King Air or better. It is 1000 PIC turbine, not just PIC.

 

[Blue Dude]

Does anyone know if the 1000 pic requirement can include that time as a flight instructor? Thanks

I don't see why not, as long as you were acting as PIC, and were responsible for the aircraft. If your student was acting as PIC (for instance, you didn't have a valid medical, or by prior arrangement), then that time wouldn't count. But you'd have to ask Dean to be sure.

PIC turbine is no longer a specific requirement, but I don't think too many are called without it. Current requirements from the web site:

Minimum Qualification:

FAA Airline Transport Pilot (ATP) Certification.

1500 hours total time in airplanes (excluded: Helo, Sim, F/E time)**

1000 hours turbine in airplanes**

1000 hours PIC

1000 hours in airplanes over 20,000 pounds (max take off weight)**

Recency of flight experience will be considered.

Current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate***

FCC Radio License

Current Passport

Three reference letters from pilots who can personally attest to the candidates flying skills (must bring originals to interview)

Vision corrected to 20/20

Legally authorized to work in the U.S.A.

Able to pass a 10-year security background check and a drug test

Also see "Skills" (below)



Skills/Experience:
All applicants must be able to speak, read and write English and possess excellent communication skills. A working knowledge of MS Office Suite, Acrobat Reader and the ability to use browsers effectively are essential elements to the successful completion of our rigorous training program. Successful candidates embrace the concept of thinking "outside the box" in order to find ways to say, "YES" to our customers. You should mentally 'raise the bar' on your views regarding the airline industry's concept of CRM (Crew Resource Management). At JetBlue, we refer to CRM as "Company Resource Management" because company-wide interface is a way of life for all of our people.


*Competitive hours can be significantly higher depending on the qualifications of the applicants in our system at any given time. We are currently seeing the following hours in candidates selected to interview:

Between 3,000 and 10,000 hours total time in airplanes
> 2,000 hours turbine PIC in jets
> 2,000 hours in airplanes over 20,000 lbs mtow
Experience with more sophisticated aircraft utilizing EFIS, FMS systems
Experience in the A320 family of airplanes (left or right seat)

** Military applicants should use a conversion factor of .3 for the hours flown in each of the categories designated above by a double asterisk (**). Simply multiply the hours flown in these categories by 1.3 and enter that number in the appropriate fields of your JetBlue web application.

*** Military applicants may apply with a Military Medical Certificate. However, everyone must be able to obtain and hold a current Class I FAA Medical Certificate prior to arrival for training, if selected.

 

[stillaboo]

Re: Re: Jetblue PIC time requirement?

If your student was acting as PIC (for instance, you didn't have a valid medical, or by prior arrangement), then that time wouldn't count.

All students who are legal in the airplane log and act as PIC when there's an instructor. B/c the student is paying for the flight, they get to dictate who is PIC (if this is a military issue, then I'd still say that if the student is 'legal' -however that applies in the military- then the student is PIC). Sortta' sucks since the FAA or your commanding officer will look to you, the instructor, when the plane's a pile of scrap, if you survive, b/c you, as instructor, are usually the more experienced pilot.

Of course, just asking Blue would be the best option

-Boo!

 

[DanielWebster]

Does anyone know if the 1000 pic requirement can include that time as a flight instructor? Thanks

Does anyone know if I can count all the time vacuuming the floor, and folding my underwear for the JetBlue minimums?

 

[jetblue320]

Does anyone know if I can count all the time vacuuming the floor, and folding my underwear for the JetBlue minimums?

Only if you apply. Can't win if you don't play D***Head

 

[stillaboo]

DW,

I'd guess that no matter how much time you had, JB wouldn't be interested in you, or you in it.

They have a formula, and they have so far been quite successful. If you don't want to be part of it, that's your call. But to demean them for their own decision, it seems a bit too much. Take care of your own shop, and let them run theirs how they want to. If they end up having to retire b/c of their sore backs or diseases from picking up trash, then they only have themselves to blame, and you can yell form the sidelines "I told you so" till the cows come home. Deal?

-Boo!

 

[yaks]

jb pic

When last I checked (and it's been a few years) if the student is licensed in the category and class then he may log pic. In addition, any time a CFI is giving instruction he may also log pic. It seems strange but that was the answer from the fsdo when I cared.

 

[stillaboo]

There's a difference b/t "logging" PIC and "acting" as PIC. Only 1 person can "act" as PIC (the sole manipulator of the controls), while more than 1 person can log it (the CFI example, a 121 Captain) w/o ever touching the controls. It's clear as mud, huh? JB's minimums don't specify whether they want PIC as defined by the FAA for logging or for acting purposes. And, b/c the military is run by our government, it wouldn't surprise me at all that the military has their own way of logging PIC and the instructor-student relationship of who's acting PIC.

Search for logging vs. acting if you need more info. It's been cover ad-naseum already in other threads.

-Boo!

 

[46Driver]

The military (at least USN, USMC, and USCG) have one column (the important one) for Aircraft Commander, i.e., the pilot who signs for the aircraft. There is another column called First Pilot time (who is actually on the controls) but nobody really even looks at that. Hope this helps.

 

[Blue Dude]

There's a difference b/t "logging" PIC and "acting" as PIC. Only 1 person can "act" as PIC (the sole manipulator of the controls), while more than 1 person can log it (the CFI example, a 121 Captain) w/o ever touching the controls.

Sorry to muddy the water still further, but you have it exactly backwards. You can log PIC as the sole manipulator (dual received, etc.) without acting as PIC. That is part 61 PIC time. But there's only one PIC under part 1, the acting PIC, who may not even touch the controls. He is the PIC by definition, such as an airline captain. More than one may log, but only one can act. (Under part 121, only one pilot can log PIC time anyway - the captain.) JetBlue has stated elsewhere that they're only interested in PIC time when you were acting as PIC, though that may have changed. Most of the time, that would include CFI time, since typically the CFI is the PIC, though he may have a rated student manipulating the controls who is also logging PIC. It really comes down to who will be held responsible if something goes wrong. That one responsible person is the PIC under part 1. Unless under prior arrangement, and sometimes not even then, that's going to be the CFI since he has a higher certificate and duty.

 

[colorado418]

I interviewed with jetBlue in June 2001. At that time I had about 10,000 total time with around 6,000 - 7,000 turbine PIC in SD-3 and DHC-8. I got hired and started in Jan 2002. Unfortunately, I have not seen but just a hand full of turbo prop regional pilots since then. 9/11 really changed the picture of what guys / gals are coming here with.

I have a friend that interviewed before I did and made it to the back ground check. There was some an item that showed up that kicked him out of the process. That item has since been resolved. I called Dean and asked if since he had been selected at one point, if he had a chance here again if he applied again. He has very close to what I have in total time and type of time. Dean said that he really did not have a chance since he did not have any jet time. Kind of frustruating, but that is what the hiring pool is like now... furloughed jet drivers. Lots of experience on the streets now.

Not to discourage, but just to inform...