jetBlue pay rates

[Iceback]

I'm new to the forum... so this question may have already been asked. I understand that jetblue has recently increased their pay, does anyone have the current hourly rates, Captain and F/O for all longevities? Also do they offer any type of long term disability insurance? Thanks

Iceback

 

[Jeff G]

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[dashtrasher]

airtran pay rates from the contract

C. Hourly Pay Rates

1. Captain (Small Narrowbody)
Year of Service 8/1/2001 4/1/2002 4/1/2003 4/1/2004
1 60.00 65.21 68.14 71.21
2 78.00 93.07 97.26 101.70
3 84.02 97.27 101.65 106.30
4 95.64 102.74 107.36 112.27
5 102.46 109.82 114.76 120.01
6 105.28 112.27 119.30 123.50
7 112.10 117.14 123.69 127.15
8 114.92 120.09 128.25 131.87
9 117.74 123.04 133.96 136.85
10 127.86 142.33 144.00
11 144.50 147.33
12 152.57


2. First Officer (Small Narrowbody)
Year of Service 8/1/2001 4/1/2002 4/1/2003 4/1/2004
1 35.50 37.50 39.50 42.75
2 45.00 51.19 53.49 55.94
3 48.00 55.44 57.94 60.59
4 56.43 60.62 63.34 66.24
5 61.48 65.89 68.86 72.01
6 63.17 67.36 71.58 74.10
7 67.26 70.29 74.21 78.37
8 68.95 72.05 76.95 79.12
D. Pay Rates for Other Aircraft

1. First year hourly pay will be as indicated on the above Small Narrowbody (SNB) tables, and will be the same for all pilots regardless of aircraft assignment.

2. Base pay for all SNB aircraft will be as indicated in the SNB scales above. SNB aircraft include: B-737 (-100-200-300-500-600-700), DC-9 (All models), A-318, A-319, F-100, and BA-146.

3. Base pay for Large Narrowbody (LNB) aircraft will be SNB hourly rates plus thirteen percent (13%). LNB aircraft include: B-727, B-737 (-400-800-900), B-757, A-320, and A-321.

4. Base pay for Widebody (WB) aircraft will be SNB hourly rates plus twenty-eight percent (28%). WB aircraft include: B-747, B-767, B-777, DC-10, MD-11, A-300, A-310, A-330, A-340, A-380, and L-1011.

5. For any specific airframe not mentioned above, the Company will not operate any other type of aircraft on revenue flights until both the Company and the Association have agreed on an appropriate aircraft classification (SNB, LNB, or WB). If no agreement is made, either party may submit the dispute to final and binding arbitration using the same procedures outlined in Section 1.P, Expedited Section 1 Minor Dispute Resolution.


E. Pay Rates for Other Positions

1. Base pay for Second Officers or Flight Engineers will be SNB First Officer hourly rates minus five percent (5%).

 

[dashtrasher]

oops sorry wrong airline

 

[Jeff G]

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[Iceback]

Wow... thanks for the quick reply!! The pay rates look great, and I think the time and a half is a mutually beneficial concept. How many days a month are you working to come in around 90-93 pay hours?
I've been in this industry long enough, to watch co-workers suddenly cough up a lung and be medically disabled overnight. Long term disability has really saved some from terrible hardship, and that's why my interest.
Also, while I've got your attention, I have run into your crews down in Miami doing training. Are your sim instructors line pilots on the seniority list? Or are they just hired to do training? Or are they employees of Airbus?

Thanks...
Hoping my qualifications warrant an April interview

 

[Jeff G]

It varies quite a bit how many days you have to work to get 94 hrs of pay (corresponding to 86 blk hrs), but I'd say a good average is 5 1/2 block hrs a day. That's what it was a few months back, but schedule productivity has been improving (and is a big priority). It might be up to 6 hrs by now. So if you fly the average 86 hrs per month, you'd be working about 16 days. Min days off is 12, so with a less productive schedule, you might run up against that limit. The more senior pilots fly 12 to 14 days a month, though.

As far as the instructors are concerned, yes, yes, and yes. Most of the sim instructors are line pilots on the seniority list, but some were hired as instructors only. Also, since we sometimes hire more pilots than our own training system can handle, some training is performed by the Airbus staff. The mix varies, but the plan is to stick with company instructors or Airbus instructors throughout the program, rather than switch back and forth. Usually the pilots who go through with Airbus instructors have to be "reprogrammed" slightly to tweak their knowledge of JetBlue SOP. It's not a big deal, though, and is covered in IOE. Good news is that we do have our own DE's now, so we are authorized to give type ratings without direct FAA (or Airbus)involvement.

 

[Iceback]

Thanks for the info...

I've been instructing on the A320 for about 3 years now for another major US carrier. I'm facing another layoff and I'm not convinced that long term, this company has the viability to make it in the new economy. All the research I have done so far has me very intrigued with jetBlue. Corporate culture is paramount to me... and I'm really impressed with management that truly wants to run an airline. I haven’t worked for a well run company yet, and it would be a refreshing change.

Thanks again for the info...

Iceback

 

[dgs]

We have three guys with previous Airbus experience in our current class. One of them may have been in your company. We have lots of people who have been flying big iron in lots of other airlines and they have seen the light and converted to jetBlue. This is a great company and if you have the "blue stuff" we could really use your experience. Captain upgrade is very quick (8 months could be possible), so they would like to find guys with previous A320 experience. The hiring process (i.e. background check) is intense, so it takes a couple of months from interview to offer. However, class sizes are increasing to 24 per month and they are having a difficult time finding enough hired people to fill the classes. From my observation it looks like the only thing holding the company back is pilot manning. Of course, controlled growth is leadership's mantra so we won't do anything stupid which might jeopardize the long term health of the company. This is a great time to get in on the ground floor of a great company with awesome leadership. I'm thrilled to be here and I think you will be too if you get hired. My classmates and I have been inspired by this company and we all keep looking at each other wondering when the other shoe will fall, but it just keeps getting better every day. The more you learn about the company, the more excited you get working here. We've asked our bretheren on the line who come through for training here in Miami if it is all true and they assure us that it is even better than we can imagine. How many companies can you think of where the pilots are THRILLED to work there? If you're interested in working for a great company, put your app in and give it a try. I think you'll be impressed, even at the interview. Good luck.

 

[Iceback]

dgs...

This is the exact reason that I am so interested in the jetBlue. Enthusiastic employees, superb management, a plan (a novel concept from my perspective) and the opportunity to get in on the ground floor of something great. The other plus is the A320... I deal with it in-depth every day, and absolutely love the aircraft. Although the "next Southwest" mantra may sound hackneyed to some, I really like the prospects for this company over the next decade. Your testimonial is the kind I have heard for months. Sounds like they are doing all the right things. Enjoy class, and enjoy the airplane. Once your through the hard part you won't be able to stop smiling!

Iceback

 

[Iceback]

On more question if any of you have the time... I was reading that jetBlue requires you to sign 5 year contract describing pay and working conditions, and that there were only 5 things that would cause that contract not to be renewed. A couple of questions... I understand that this is not a training contract that has a financial commitment, but is this contract the same for every pilot that gets hired? (I know of some foreign airlines that practice this, and change the conditions of the contract for every new hire class, depending on market conditions.) What are the 5 things? Also is this the method in which they assume seniority resignation? - having to honor the contract - or do they require a formal resignation letter? (Totally understandable in today's environment.) If it isn't privileged information, can it be posted?

Sorry for all the questions, but I'm thoroughly enthused about the prospects for jetBlue, and am trying to intentionally temper that enthusiasm with all the facts.

Iceback

 

[FZRA]

Safety, Caring, Integrity, Fun, and Passion.

Must Comply with these values!

 

[Iceback]

Okay, I probably went too far in asking for the contract to be posted.
Can anyone shed some light on what reserve is like? What time of day do you start on call, and how long you have from callout to make it to the airport? I've done the JFK commute thing in the past, and NY, the airports, traffic, crash pads or hotels add an interesting element to your day. How many months are new hires spending on reserve, do you fly much, and is there a minimum guarantee? Enquiring minds would like to know?

Thanks everyone for your responses!!

Iceback

 

[Jeff G]

Hi, Ice,

Reserve (or any duty) is 12 days a month off, minimum. Reserve guarantee is 75 hrs, which means 70 hrs base + 5 hrs premium pay (1.5 x base) = 77.5 hrs pay minimum. Two hr callout time. Scheduling tries to give you a late reserve (12n - 12m) on your first day, so commuting on your first day may be possible. They also try to schedule an early reserve (5am - 7pm) on your last day, again to commute out after an early release. They've sure been using reserves a lot, too, so expect to fly. New hires are on reserve for a month or two currently.

 

[JayDub]

Jeff G

Anybody else notice Jeff G recently went from two types to three types in his profile????


Congratulations Captain Jeff!!!!!!

 

[Jeff G]

Thanks, JayDub, you're next! I'll expect your first official act will be to update your profile on this board...

 

[Jeff G]

Congrats to JayDub for recently displacing me as JetBlue's newest captain! And thanks especially for being junior to me and taking the pressure off on reserve...

Note: you have to update your profile now.

 

[AlbieF15]

Congrats Jeff! Now I'm sure that pretty wife of yours will have an expanded shopping list!

You have shared tons of good stuff on the boards...let me again say thanks and best of luck in the left seat.

 

[reepicheep]

I've been instructing on the A320 for about 3 years now for another major US carrier. I'm facing another layoff and I'm not convinced that long term, this company has the viability to make it in the new economy.

Iceback:

Many of US are coming to the same conclusion....guys in my new hire class from 1987 are starting to bail.

 

[Iceback]

reepicheep -

Adapt or face extinction; unfortunately I don't see either side of the equation seriously addressing the problems at hand to make it on their own. I am way too junior, (after 13 years), to hope that the current entity remains in tact long enough for me to be folded into the sold/split up remnants. Sad, since I have always enjoyed the people I have worked with, especially in my current position.

Jeff G -

Congrats on the type and the upgrade. Sounds like you have a long an prosperous career ahead of you.

A quick question, if you don't mind. At my current employer, for circling approaches, we are limited to VFR or circling minimums, whichever are higher. Subsequently my A320 type has a limitation of "circling VMC only". Someone in Oak City woke up about 3-4 years ago, and is requiring this to be added to all types where a circling approach to minimums is not demonstrated during the type ride. Our corporation made the decision not to include this in the training syllabus and type evaluation, since it was not authorized in our ops specs. I know that most carriers choose not to circle lower than VFR... is this the case at B6? And is your newly anointed type issued with the same limitation? If not, I can get the limitation removed, but I will have to drop a few bucks to do so. (The company would not be too keen on me using up free sim time for personal gain, so I would have to go through contract training). I don't want it to be a limiting factor during an interview... if I'm fortunate enough to get called.

Thanks,
Iceback

 

[Jeff G]

Iceback,

We have exactly the same limitation in our ops specs. The lowest authorized circling mins are 1000/3 or the actual mins whichever are higher. That said, the powers that be made a decision to train to actual mins in the sim (for the type rating only) in order not to have the limitation put on the type rating. I don't think the limitation will ever be removed in the ops specs, nor would I want it to be, but it was good of them to make sure we had unlimited type ratings. I think they did it just because, well, they could and it didn't hurt anything. Don't worry about your limitation; it's a very common one and I have difficulty seeing anyone having a hard time with it. There are far more important factors to consider. When the time comes to upgrade, it'll be removed as a matter of course, so save your money.

 

[Iceback]

Jeff G

Thanks again for the quick reply... I didn't really think that the limitation would be an issue, but in today's environment you never know. Far more important issues do abound at an interview, however the smart applicant will do all in his power to lower the handicap. As always you've been a real help. I hope I can return the favor some day.

Ice

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I have read a number of posts from UAL guys, including some fairly senior captains who have switched to JetBlue. It must be a great company!

I would like to apply, but just have my ATP, so I don't have enough hours yet. I would guess you need 1000 PIC jet, as one of their minimums.

Cliff
GB,WI

 

[iflyhigh72]

Congrats on the upgrade Jeff G. A question for ya'. How many guys are currently on file. Are they using a first apply, first interview basis or are they looking for guys with bus time. I sent my app. in June 2001 and I still havent heard anything. hey Iceback, great questions, I learned alot.

 

[side stick-n]

I hope CAPTAIN Jeff doesn't get upset with me answering this one. There are 272 pilots on the March schedule. More currently in class. Interviewees are selected on qualifications now, not first apply, first interview. Obviously, bus time would be a plus but there are guys still being hired without any. For any of you that have applied in the past, please keep checking the web site for an updated application. It should be up in the very near future. This is important because the new app will not interface with the old system so EVERYONE will need to re-apply. The up side to this is that you will be able to update via the website at any time. Also, for atpcliff, the 1000 hrs pic is in turbine equipment. I don't believe turbojet is specifically named so if you have 1000 hrs pic in a turboprop, you meet that requirement. Good luck to everyone. I feel very fortunate to be here. Lucky is more like it.

 

[Jeff G]

Oh, jeez, CAPTAIN this-and-that... That's embarassing...

Anyway, to add to side stick-n's post, I get the impression that it really doesn't matter how many apps are on file. What really matters is how you stack up when the interview invitations are pulled from the database. That particular mix changes from month to month depending on the needs of the company. The "ideal" candidate doesn't fit into a neat set of numbers that are reused every month. In a recent interview pool, A320 time was used as a criterium, simply because a lot of A320 pilots have been put on the street lately and a lot had applied. But I don't think JB is just looking for furloughees with A320 time, but rather a mix of pilots from all backgrounds. Therefore, there's no way at all to figure your odds of being called in. Even the "insiders" don't know. Sorry I can't be more specific.

And, yeah, I thank God every day that I am where I am. Just unbelieveable, undeserved good fortune. Best of luck to all!

 

[ShaggyF16]

Quality of life?

Jeff G - Congrats on the upgrade!!

jetBlue sounds like a fantastic place to work. I've been fortunate enough to meet a few people in the company and I've been very impressed with everything I've seen and heard.

What is a typical month like for you, I.E., fly for 4 days, off for 3, fly for 3 more, etc? What have your trips and layovers been like (I know the route structure is constantly changing and expanding), do they put you up in nice places, etc? Just curious what your overall quality of life is like.

Thanks, fly safe and good luck!

Shaggy

 

[Bluesuiter]

stock options

Does anyone know the satus of jetBlue's ipo? I know they put the paperwork in on the 12th of Feb. How long does this normally take? Do you get the options at the start of training or after a certain time with the company?

 

[iflyhigh72]

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