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Nope, I am a ray of positivity a veritable "Downward Facing Dog" of inner peace.

The positives at jb do not outweigh the negatives, but maybe someday the negatives will get fixed.

I have said it before on this website, being an airline pilot is the greatest part time job I have ever had. Last layover was a doozy! But that doesn't fix airlines. If I didn't care I would quit. And I wouldn't waste my time on a long post on this bogus website (that I am addicted to).
 
Anybody wearing their uniform to the open house?
 
Bavarian Chef,
Bob's comment was funny, chill.

Who decided that you had to be an Air Force geek to be a good pilot, you?

Just because he didn't fly in the Air Force doesn't rate an attack on the guy including a statement like, "Air Force reject". Some of us never even considered that route. Like we were rejected by the Air Force? The entire civilian pilot world, huh, great, now I'm screwed...

...and I was liking the Air Force guys and had a problem with the F18 Marines and Navy. Oh well, it's just a few in each batch, just like us civilians.

I'm done...

"Fly Navy, we need the work"

...US Navy Diving and Salvage!
 
You sound very unhappy. Why not quit? Get a paper route? Quite honestly, you give negativity a postive light.

So you're saying that if things are messed up, just shut your mouth and quit.
I have over 4.5 years invested in this company. I'm tired of communication after-the-fact, tired of platitudes, tired of HR and pay screw-ups, tired of "you're well-paid, we just have to educate you", tired of broken promises.
Piots vent here out of frustration, there is no viable company venue for communication. Things HAVE to get better.
The fact that the company is interviewing and now goes so far as to "pee test" applicants with thousands of hours less experience than previously required during "job fairs", shows the emperors' butt IS showing.
To use a cliche', JB is at a "tipping point".
The next year or so is going to be very interesting, because a lot of guys ARE quitting.
 
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Bavarian Chef,
Bob's comment was funny, chill.

Who decided that you had to be an Air Force geek to be a good pilot, you?

Just because he didn't fly in the Air Force doesn't rate an attack on the guy including a statement like, "Air Force reject". Some of us never even considered that route. Like we were rejected by the Air Force? The entire civilian pilot world, huh, great, now I'm screwed...

...and I was liking the Air Force guys and had a problem with the F18 Marines and Navy. Oh well, it's just a few in each batch, just like us civilians.

I'm done...

"Fly Navy, we need the work"

...US Navy Diving and Salvage!

Um, hello? I know "Bob", in fact I talked to "Bob" a couple of days ago. Is there any chance I may just be f-ing with a friend of mine? Uhh, yes. Thanks for playing, Guam.

Who are the ad wizards that let you people join these boards?
 
Really, me on bp spreading BS? I am? And you know that how? So my 111 posts since I joined in April of last year is a lot of naysaying? In fact I have posted 3 times there since Jan 1st.

Go back and read all of my jetblue posts on this website -- I bet you find a fair amount of both pro and anti-jb (although I would consider my anti-jb rhetoric to be constructive criticism).

I ask you though, you really think you are doing the company any good by living in denial? I only ask this after my 5 hour flight back to Virginia on the commute home today. Wow what a f-ed up operation we have. De-icing was a real treat and I can tell that we are on the right track (not). The good news is that the reporter sitting in the back raised hell, took pictures and copious notes -- should I short some stock or not? Yes, this really happened today, btw -- no BS here.

You really need to take your crap and sell it elsewhere. Thanks to JBPA for getting the point. The funny thing is that JUST TODAY on bp.com one of our fellow pilots posted a recurrent update about the February attritions, the hiring issues and 190 reliability among other things. Yet you come on here and project this false perception of me as if your reality is somehow better than mine. The trip I just flew was yet again another exercise in incompetence and drama, getting an Airbus outta EWR for example is like herding kittens on ice skates. I have to question the reality that you have crafted for yourself or maybe the purity of the drugs that you are snorting.

Yet, you know we do indeed have good people here and we have great products, but that is all lost in the shuffle when some of our gate agents, sys ops, crazy FAs and weak-teet captains/FOs drop the ball time and time again. The evidence that we are stumbling is right there in front of your face yet you act like I somehow speak falsely about jb. One only has to look at the latest per diem email to see the cracks in our company.

Man, I wish jb would get its act together. I really do and I have been consistent in that opinion for a long time (again, ref my posts). I have a decent amount of seniority here, I love the airplane, most of the captains I have flown with are cool as can be, many of the FAs are nice people and once in a blue moon I have a completely normal trip with no drama, no delays, no F/Ups and I can then see jb for the great company it could become. But just because we promote John Ross to SysOps for example doesn't mean any changes will turn the ship around. We have a lot of qualified and motivated people -- but does David Neeleman listen to their advice and give them the resources to do their job? Does he foster a sense of accountability and responsibility within each department? Will he stop bringing in college interns and retail sales divas to run Crew Scheduling, Services, Airport Ops etc etc?

I think this company is a grand experiment. Try to get people to rally around some high falooting ideal (bringing humanity back to air travel for example) in the hopes that they will work hard and for less pay/benefits in order to further the cause. Hey I bought into it too until my military experience finally won out and I couldn't reconcile the fact that despite the preponderance of easily identifiable problems at jb there was no real effort made to craft long term solutions in order to ensure continued success. JB has to SPEND money to MAKE money -- if they did maybe they wouldn't have been walking around the airport during the V-day massacre using paper and pencil to track pilots and fill airplanes.

But back to the thread topic: NO I DON'T BELIEVE IN SPOT INTERVIEWS. And you shouldn't either. It says a lot about the interest in jb and even more about the dire need to fill classes to stem ever escalating pilot losses and shortages. Just check out the reserve coverage in Flica or the constant need for RSAs for more info.

Quality guys? Like that dude I saw commuting on Comair with no tie on, collar unbuttoned to the wind? Or maybe the guys with their backpacks slung over their blazers/leather jackets? They all do have wonderfully gel-ified hair though.

So to recap my point click: You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!


Bavarian, I sympathize with you. You obviously have an emotional attachment to JB. My advice is to consider severing that bond. There are other carriers that will appreciate that type of loyalty and devotion. Especially some that are based in TX and pay twice what JB does. I'm a JB pilot and post this partially to pss off the KOOLAID drinkers.

Bolt Bavarian, run free my friend. Run far away.
 
There are other carriers that will appreciate that type of loyalty and devotion. Especially some that are based in TX and pay twice what JB does.

Yes there are my friend ...
 
Remember when it took MONTHS (or years in the case of 'getting the call') for folks to go through the app/interview/hiring process? It does seem a little suspect that folks have recently been 'spot interviewed' or 'spot hired'.



Yea..

Its called changes in the industry environment and supply/demand.

Its as simple as that.

Let's just see how the second compensation adjustment in 30 days (or so) will affect the landscape.

As far as Bavarian goes.... two words...
ahhh.. nevermind!
 
New hire progression will be 190 fo, 320 fo, 190 captain, 320 captain. New hires will not see bus captain for 10 years and given the current and expected pay rates turnover will continue.
Make your descisions carefully. This is a good job but not a career. New hires can expect to sit right seat in the 190/320 for 5 or 6 years before 190 upgrade.


Well, its sounding more like a mature company.

The growth just couldn't be managed and sustained.
(who didn't see that one coming)
 
Some of the posts have indicated a 10 yr upgrade to 320 Cap. I would say it's more like 7+ years, due to the fact that many bypass until they can hold a line. Currently we have about 100 320s. Based on the staffing formula of 7.1 capts. per A/C, that equates to 710 Captains, but the current bid is up to about 870. That is 160 that passed on an upgrade.

If I were joining the company today, I would just plan on the 190 for a while, and enjoy the better seniority. The 190 pay has improved a little, so it's no big deal.
 
I think this company is a grand experiment. Try to get people to rally around some high falooting ideal (bringing humanity back to air travel for example) in the hopes that they will work hard and for less pay/benefits in order to further the cause. Hey I bought into it too until my military experience finally won out and I couldn't reconcile the fact that despite the preponderance of easily identifiable problems at jb there was no real effort made to craft long term solutions in order to ensure continued success.


Bavarian..

IMO, guys like you don't see the big picture.

You come out of the military and the "real" world frustrates you.

You should take some time and really study the airline business.
JetBlue is unique in many ways.
Neeleman and company have stepped on their "units" ...
And repeatedly so.

But I believe their heart and intentions are decent.

Go to work for a REAL airline.
Watch your pension you worked for for 25+ years get terminated by your own UNION. Participate in the whipsawing that is played out in your pilot group with senior/junior/mainline/regionals.

Watch your CEO come in.... slap some paint on the walls... try to sell you then leave with millions.

REALITY CHECK BAVARIAN..

It ain't so bad to work for these guys.

IMPROVEMENTS??
They will come.

Screwups...
YES... they will be there.

DELAYS with deicing in JFK, EWR, LGA.

YES! There always have been and always will be.
Maybe the traffic down turn after 9/11 mislead you...

Go kick your dog if you're so frustrated!
 
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Bavarian..

IMO, guys like you don't see the big picture.

You come out of the military and the "real" world frustrates you.

You should take some time and really study the airline business.
JetBlue is unique in many ways.
Neeleman and company are stepping on the "units" ...
And repeatedly so.

But I believe their heart and intentions are decent.

Go to work for a REAL airline.
Watch your pension you worked for for 25+ years get terminated by your own UNION. Participate in the whipsawing that is played out in your pilot group with senior/junior/mainline/regionals.

Watch your CEO come in.... slap some paint on the walls... try to sell you then leave with millions.

REALITY CHECK BAVARIAN..

It ain't so bad to work for these guys.

IMPROVEMENTS??
They will come.

Screwups...
YES... there will be there.

DELAYS with deicing in JFK, EWR, LGA.

YES! There always have been and always will be.
Maybe the traffic down turn after 9/11 mislead you...

Go kick your dog if you're so frustrated!

What's the big picture? In both scenarios you work 25 years and have nothing to show for it. So in that regard, you are correct.

Frustration? Not as much as you might think. Again, since it bears repeating, their are many things about JB that I like. You're picking and choosing my words as a rebuttal.

Like I said, I hope they fix the negatives.
 
Yea..

Its called changes in the industry environment and supply/demand.

Its as simple as that.

Let's just see how the second compensation adjustment in 30 days (or so) will affect the landscape.

As far as Bavarian goes.... two words...
ahhh.. nevermind!

Good point, it will affect the fence in the fall as well.
 
You come out of the military and the "real" world frustrates you.


Now that's funny! You don't get 15-19 days off in the REAL WORLD.
 
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There are other carriers that will appreciate that type of loyalty and devotion. Especially some that are based in TX and pay twice what JB does.

Yes there are my friend ...
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...I think military guys can't think outside of the box, and they are afraid of weather. -- the SWA/FO
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You guys need to open a history book!

So you're referring to SWA about how great they are?
Well, you're right! They are AWESOME.

HOWEVER..

It took 30+ years to get to where they are.

You two Junior Varsity wannabes would NEVER have persevered through their many, many struggles and most of all, their SUBSTANDARD wages compared to the Major Airlines of that time period!

You guys are really something!
How about open your eyes and learn something!

Do you guys realize how many SWA pilots left the company in those first 20 years? LOTS... I flew with some of them at USAirways.

We don't have a crystal ball...
So do what you gotta do... but come on... be realistic and learn about the past...
 
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Junior Varsity! I love it. Keep it coming. PM if you need to get reeeeeeal dirty. Or better yet, PM me your number and I'll avoid ya. Thanks for bringing it down to another level. And to a peer no less, old man.

You miss the point each and every time.
 
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You miss the point each and every time.

Once again dude, it aint worth it. I gave up a long time ago (on bp too).

Your living in a dream world BLAH BLAH BLAH, you should consider yourself lucky to sit in the left seat of an Airbus BLAH BLAH BLAH, I used to taxi uphill both ways at USAIR BLAH BLAH BLAH, go back to your military flying club BLAH BLAH BLAH, DN is my hero and I'd do anything for him, including light cleaning duties BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Wasn't this thread about the open house? Oh yeah, musn't say anything negative about our cult, er, I mean employer (however fitting). Bottom line: If you don't like where your at, this place aint so bad. Come check it out, eat some Munchie Mix (and those new orgasmic, I mean organic cookies). When SWA,CAL,UPS,FEX (if those interest you) call, by all means go there...the grass probably is greener ($$$) in those cases. In the meantime don't stare too gazingly at the snow-globe pendulum; you may be assimilated!
 
Once again dude, it aint worth it. I gave up a long time ago (on bp too).

Your living in a dream world BLAH BLAH BLAH, you should consider yourself lucky to sit in the left seat of an Airbus BLAH BLAH BLAH, I used to taxi uphill both ways at USAIR BLAH BLAH BLAH, go back to your military flying club BLAH BLAH BLAH, DN is my hero and I'd do anything for him, including light cleaning duties BLAH BLAH BLAH.

Wasn't this thread about the open house? Oh yeah, musn't say anything negative about our cult, er, I mean employer (however fitting). Bottom line: If you don't like where your at, this place aint so bad. Come check it out, eat some Munchie Mix (and those new orgasmic, I mean organic cookies). When SWA,CAL,UPS,FEX (if those interest you) call, by all means go there...the grass probably is greener ($$$) in those cases. In the meantime don't stare too gazingly at the snow-globe pendulum; you may be assimilated!

You know, the chocolate chip cookies are good!
 
Its about learning from the past and being grounded in REALITY

I was just making a point about SWA's history.
You guys don't acknowledge it or just brush it off as "ancient" history.

Southwest paid substandard wages (but gave great stock options) for two decades.

Guys left SWA and chased the almighty dollar and went to USAirways (once the BEST paid airline out there) and other carriers.

Flash forward to now.

I'm not saying JetBlue is the "next" Southwest.

But there is a thing called a "business cycle".
In the early growth years costs are kept low and money poured back in to the company. The dynamics change as it matures. You guys know this I hope.

My other MAIN point is working for Neeleman is NOT the same as working for your typical Harvard grad or Airline Industry Rapist/Con-Man/Used Car Salesman/Bean Counter.

You guys, in my opinion, have a touch too much naivete, greediness and ignorance.

But I may be wrong and JetBlue may have already went CH 11 or given us 500% raises today. What do I know?
 
I was just making a point about SWA's history.
You guys don't acknowledge it or just brush it off as "ancient" history.

Southwest paid substandard wages (but gave great stock options) for two decades.

Guys left SWA and chased the almighty dollar and went to USAirways (once the BEST paid airline out there) and other carriers.

Flash forward to now.

I'm not saying JetBlue is the "next" Southwest.

But there is a thing called a "business cycle".
In the early growth years costs are kept low and money poured back in to the company. The dynamics change as it matures. You guys know this I hope.

My other MAIN point is working for Neeleman is NOT the same as working for your typical Harvard grad or Airline Industry Rapist/Con-Man/Used Car Salesman/Bean Counter.

You guys, in my opinion, have a touch too much naivete, greediness and ignorance.

But I may be wrong and JetBlue may have already went CH 11 or given us 500% raises today. What do I know?

You really need to give it up. Where did I say anything that suggested I was greedy? And yes, you are suggesting that JB may be the next Southwest. Either way, you really are not reading my posts. I WANT jb to fix the issues. I DON'T WANT to feel like I need to find another job. What part of those sentiments do you not understand?

Naivete and ignorance? Not at all. First of all SWA took years to do what we did, thus the potential for jb to fail is high. You really seem to discount the factual parts of my posts. And your arrogance is breathtaking, o wise airline pilot god.

You know what, forget it. I take that all back. You're right. These are all just growing pains. All will be better by summer. Still waiting on your crewmember number though.

 
You guys, in my opinion, have a touch too much naivete, greediness and ignorance.

If you think wanting/hoping for wages/benefits commensurate with industry averages is greed then I guess I'm greedy.

Naive? Ignorant? To me, the folks who continually praise our leadership and keep saying "just give them another year and then, ooh ooh this time I mean it, I'm going to hold them accountable" are FAR more naive and ignorant than me.

I understand where you're going with the SWA logic. However, like BC said, you can't simply draw a straight line between their year-7 numbers and ours. We are probably at a point now that more closely mirrors SWA 7-10 years ago (just a guess).

One day my boy BC and I will be alls growns ups [Swingers] and can pontificate how much we know about this business. I can't wait. I'm just not real confident that I'll be wearing a blue shirt.
 
Believe it or not JBPA, I would not necessarily leave jb just for pay and benefits. I am looking at other opportunities almost entirely because of the operational missteps and snafus that are the hallmark of this airline. "Bush league" comes to mind all the time.
 
People what's the big deal. If you want to work for JetBlue come to the open house. and if you dont stay home drinking beer, simple as that.
 
Believe it or not JBPA, I would not necessarily leave jb just for pay and benefits. I am looking at other opportunities almost entirely because of the operational missteps and snafus that are the hallmark of this airline. "Bush league" comes to mind all the time.

Your comments on this site show just how "Bush League" your view of this business is and how much history you still need to learn.
Your prior experience in the military is a big deal but not in this game so slow down and pace yourself.
 
Believe it or not JBPA, I would not necessarily leave jb just for pay and benefits. I am looking at other opportunities almost entirely because of the operational missteps and snafus that are the hallmark of this airline. "Bush league" comes to mind all the time.

bush league??? there's the quote of the day..... your gonna have to pull that silver spoon out of your naive mouth before you really see how the real world operates.

as far a operational missteps go, you better get a history lesson on airline "operational/decisions" before you go out into the real world. jetblue has made just as many missteps and snafus as the next guy.

good luck, your in for a rude awakening.
 
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