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LJDRVR

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I know there are two sides to every sory, but this one doesn't look good for the management over there at B6.

JetBlue Flight Attendant Fired For Fatigue

Long Beach, CA, March 23--JetBlue flight attendant Carolyn Livingston was fired last week after being bullied into working a flight that put her over the FAA maximum flight attendant duty period. The company accused her of sleeping on the job. She maintains that she was not, although she said she had tried to get herself and her crew released from the flight due to fatigue.

On February 17, Livingston, 35, was lead flight attendant of a four-member cabin crew that was to work a red-eye flight from Long Beach, CA, to Fort Lauderdale, FL, and back the next morning without a break. They were scheduled to report to the airport at 8:20pm and take off at 9:20pm. The flight was delayed two and a half hours, and didn't leave until 11:30pm.

During the flight, Livingston told the pilots to call the cabin crew in fatigued, as they were too tired to work the return flight back to Long Beach Airport, which would now put them over the FAA maximum 14-hour duty day.

When they landed in Fort Lauderdale, an In-flight supervisor met the plane and informed Livingston and her crew that there were no hotel rooms available in Fort Lauderdale, and that they would have to fly them all the way to New York’s JFK airport to get a hotel room if they refused to continue the trip. The supervisor also told Livingston that the return flight to Long Beach would have to cancel unless she and her crew agreed to work it.

Livingston’s crewmembers then decided to change their minds and work the return flight back to Long Beach.

“At this point I felt pressured to work the flight back, too,” Livingston said. “The supervisor intimidated me by telling me that they would have to cancel the flight if we didn’t work it. Plus, she didn’t seem to want to accept no for an answer. She informed us that they wouldn’t be able to get us a hotel room in Fort Lauderdale if we decided to stay.”

Livingston said she finally decided to go ahead and work the flight home, as it seemed to be the easiest solution for everyone involved.

Three weeks later, Livingston’s supervisor notified her of a report from a fellow crewmember that stated Livingston had been sleeping on one of the jumpseats in the back galley during the flight back to Long Beach on February 18. Sleeping on the jumpseat is a fireable offense at JetBlue. Subsequently, Livingston was placed on suspension pending an investigation.

On March 16, Livingston was terminated from JetBlue. The reason given: sleeping on the jumpseat.

“I was shocked. I absolutely was NOT sleeping on the jumpseat,” Livingston said. “Management concocted that as an excuse to fire me for attempting to call in fatigued for the flight.”

Fatigue is not a new issue for the airline crews. Indeed, it has been a major concern since the dawn of aviation. It is especially important since it impacts airline safety. Pilot fatigue has been blamed for many crashes through the years.

“Apparently safety is not JetBlue’s number one concern,” Livingston said. “Otherwise they would have allowed us to call in fatigued and relieved us from the flight. I told the oncoming pilots that we had called in fatigued, and they were shocked that In-flight didn't release us. In their opinion that was a complete no-no.”

Not only does crew fatigue impact airline safety, but also crewmembers’ health. In recent years flight attendant and pilot unions have been trying to push for stricter federal regulations regarding required crew rest and maximum duty days. Many airlines like JetBlue, however, find ways to intimidate their employees into flying past the federally mandated daily limits.

Livingston, a single mother, stated she felt she had no chance of appealing to get her job back.

JetBlue spokeswoman Jenny Dervin said the company does not comment on crewmembers to the public.

JetBlue flight attendants are not unionized.
 
LJDRVR said:
JetBlue Flight Attendant Fired For Fatigue

JetBlue flight attendants are not unionized.

Not unionized yet....
 
Man, that really sucks!

In some cases I see where unions are definately good!
 
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If you are gonna post a news article, post the link AND the name of the source. Lends more credibility to the post, and it helps my lazy a-- out.
 
I believe it is from Queen of the Skies blog, it certainly was, when it was posted here two weeks ago.
 
I've been unable to source the article other than that idiot QOS blog. I have however, been in e-mail contact with the individual who claims to have lost her job. Sounds legit. If it turns out she's a fake, I'll expose it here, but my BS meter is usually pretty good about this stuff, and I think she's real.
 
I have not found a news article either. The only thing I have seen is the blog from the website. I think there is 2 sides to this story. Keep in mind, this whole article is written from a fa's perspective who was fired and posted on a site designed for disgruntled fa's.
 
LJDRVR said:
Three weeks later, Livingston’s supervisor notified her of a report from a fellow crewmember that stated Livingston had been sleeping on one of the jumpseats in the back galley during the flight back to Long Beach on February 18.

If this is true, it's chilling. There seems to be a lot of ratting out lately at several carriers. C'mon people, DON'T RAT to MANAGEMENT! Be a "grown-up" man or woman with some gonads and talk with the individual first.
 
If this is a true story it makes you wonder where the flight crew was in this one. If the F/A's were fatigued the flight crew should have gone to bat for them. Then again no union, no authority.
 
Duty Times

Hey, help me out here. Since I retired I do not keep up on all the FARs. When I left, though, the FAR duty time limits only applied to Flight Deck crew members. The Flight Attendants were not included but did have a union contract with flight time/duty time limits in their agreement.

Has this changed?
 
Although this has been talked about a long time ago, it seems that QOS is the "new" authoritative news source. NOT! I will say that there are some of our inflight crews who think it's prefectly OK to go to LGB, play all day and sleep on the way back to FLL. Seen it way too much. The next one is to bid the redeye transcon, back to back, so they can work at home or a second job and sleep on the way back. This FA, looking at an old senority list, had the opportunity and senority NOT bid this trip. She instead made the CHOICE to fly this. She could have called off wherever she was at but again, CHOSE not to.

No Sympathy Here!
 
LJDRVR said:
Three weeks later, Livingston’s supervisor notified her of a report from a fellow crewmember that stated Livingston had been sleeping on one of the jumpseats in the back galley during the flight back to Long Beach on February 18.

If this is true, the reporting crewmember should have their a$$ kicked. The FA is going to bat for the entire cabin crew and then one of them reports her for sleeping on the jumpseat???? That is messed up.
 
It's not a "real" news story, it's a press release written and released by the flight attendant that got fired. It may have actually been written by someone else, since the writing was pretty close to AP-style (but not quite close enough, I figured it out about halfway through).

So, no news story to reference, there aren't any. She claims she got fired for calling in fatigued, the company says they fired her for sleeping on the jumpseat--which she says didn't happen but even it was it was their fault.

The "even if it was true" made me dismiss her story pretty much.

BTW, is that Queen of the Sky self-centered, or what? She posts videos of her swinging on a swingset and her musings are booooring.
 
LJDRVR said:
Sleeping on the jumpseat is a fireable offense at JetBlue. Subsequently, Livingston was placed on suspension pending an investigation.

On March 16, Livingston was terminated from JetBlue. The reason given: sleeping on the jumpseat.

I can't count how many times I have fallen asleep in the cockpit. I didn't know it was a fireable offense. I guess my career will be over when we finally are forced to accept cameras in the cockpit.
 
pipejockey said:
I can't count how many times I have fallen asleep in the cockpit.

I have never fallen asleep in the cockpit. Now I might have fainted right into a pillow a few times, but never fell asleep.
 
from the article:

"as they were too tired to work the return flight back to Long Beach Airport, which would now put them over the FAA maximum 14-hour duty day. "

FAA 14hr duty day?????
 
canyonblue said:
I have never fallen asleep in the cockpit. Now I might have fainted right into a pillow a few times, but never fell asleep.

Me neither, I just check my eyelids for cracks when I get tired.
 
14 hour duty day? Absolutely.

At least at United, most f/a lines are built to the maximum as much as possible.

Did you also know that most of the flight attandents are 27.5 years old. They only look old because United never lets them stop working. :o)
 
At my carrier the F/A's get screwed. If they are legal to start they are legal to finish. Pilots are a different story, we'll go to the Fed's in a heartbeat.
 
So the FAA limits FA's to 14 hours of duty...but pilots can work to 16 hours?

Someone didn't check the facts.
 
RUhiring? said:
So the FAA limits FA's to 14 hours of duty...but pilots can work to 16 hours?

Someone didn't check the facts.

yeah, thank you, thought I was going crazy here. Not asking about any "contract limits", the feds don't care what your contract says just the FARs.
 

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