JetBlue fails miserably

[Jetpipeovht]

I think flip flopping is being so proud of your fetish of putting your winkey in other pilots wives faces while they are on a trip, and then apologizing by saying you were just drunk ....that you used it in your profile! Game over? Because winkey wiper says so? Good humor. As for your employment, lets just say you sound like 3210lt. Have the ball$ to make your case. Until then you are a coward. V70 did bash military guys. It is in print above. I have no sense of entitlement due to my mil time. I have experienced nothing in this industry? I have an ALPA strike pin. Do you? I have had a NWA retirement frozen. I have sat through the post 9-11 furloughs while serving my country. Please coward boy, could you give us your vast experience and insight? Or are you looking at "Wives I'd like to whack in the face with my winkey.com" while drinking more. I will let others determine my ignorance.

Oh lord!! You just can't drop it can't you? Those wifey comments really bugged you! I dropped it a while back and even apologized for it but you can't seem to let it go. As for your ALPA strike pin, it even makes you more of an embarrasment.

You wore an ALPA strike pin but seek and accept employment at a non union shop for crap wages, therefore, undermining any attempt of pilots to regain what we have lost.

Yes I do have a strike pin! Telling me that I should work harder? Ever heard the term United we stand, divided we fall?" Well I guess it's not very important to you since this job by your own admission is just for fun. I am not making any case, I never did!! I merely defended a fellow pilot from your belittling comments that you made towards him from the right seat of your E190.

I guess you can't put two and two together based on who is pictured on my avatar as to where I work? Haven't figured it out yet?

 

[brainhurts]

.....wtf?

 

[Jetpipeovht]

Dude, the flying job is for fun. I am pretty senior at NWA and I took a voluntary furlough. The money is not everything and I could make your salary as an FO. NWA has some great things going for it--probably better than where you are. If you are a left seater at Eagle you have great opportunities elsewhere. Why not take them?

Great attitude coming from a bearer of an ALPA strike pin.

 

[Deli Guy]

Great attitude coming from a bearer of an ALPA strike pin.

We are definitely mis connecting here. How is encouraging a left seat rj guy to go on to better things a negative? And where does the ALPA strike pin come in? It is getting late in the evening and I am sure the liquor is kicking in like last night (and the night before, etc, etc) and your thinking skills are slowing, but bring it together for me.

 

[Deli Guy]

Oh lord!! You just can't drop it can't you? Those wifey comments really bugged you! I dropped it a while back and even apologized for it but you can't seem to let it go. As for your ALPA strike pin, it even makes you more of an embarrasment.

You wore an ALPA strike pin but seek and accept employment at a non union shop for crap wages, therefore, undermining any attempt of pilots to regain what we have lost.

Yes I do have a strike pin! Telling me that I should work harder? Ever heard the term United we stand, divided we fall?" Well I guess it's not very important to you since this job by your own admission is just for fun. I am not making any case, I never did!! I merely defended a fellow pilot from your belittling comments that you made towards him from the right seat of your E190.

I guess you can't put two and two together based on who is pictured on my avatar as to where I work? Haven't figured it out yet?

Oh, hey..imagine that...its Jetpipeoverheat again! The Wife comment?......Oh yes, the one where you proclaimed to have bruised the back of my wifes throat and that you like to whack your winkie in your fellow pilots faces while they were on layovers? That little item? Hey, you seem to think that you stood up for Eagledriver when I called him "rjboy" after his JetBlue diatribe. You called him your fellow pilot. How about when he is on a layover? Do you stalk his wife? So you claim to defend fellow pilots but you want to wipe your winkie in their wives faces when they are gone? Are you seeing the disconnect here? And your apology is even more classic!!! "Its just that when I drink, I want to bruise the back of your wife's throat" "Sorry I was Drunk" Classic.
Yes, I paid ALPA dues for 8+ years and I am on record here as defending ALPA when they were making tough decisions. However working at a union vs non union shop has no meaning for me. As much as I defended ALPA, I recgonize that they are a political body that serves itself. You indicated I had no experience in the industry and I proved that I did. As for "United we Stand", sure I heard of it. What do you want me to do with the knowledge? Tell me in the aviation industry or in ALPA history when we really stood united? When did we not cut some of the membership off at the knees? So what you are really saying is "United We Stand For The Senior Members And Those Who Have Buddies Who Are In Leadership Positions" Its a political group. They can not be perfect. Nothing human is. Which brings us to protecting yourself through some kind of backup work. ALPA can promise you the world but it will not put bread on the table. Are you a junior US Air guy who ended up in the jets for jobs program that ALPA crafted? Great job there. Why not try something new to protect yourself instead of being a slave to "the Man"? Just a suggestion. Do what you want. I know its inconceviable that some people have taken control of ther lives and eaked out an exhistance and actually enjoy going to work because flying is fun, but why try to pull them down to your sad level?

 

[Big Beer Belly]

Under the FWIW category... I got a chuckle about the wife comments. I'm sure I served in a different (less politically correct squadron than Deli) ... flying from one crappy corner of the planet to the next, one thing was predictable... the more we drank, the more "eloquent and beautiful" the recitations of love and respect your buddies would share about your wife/girlfriend.

Deli... from one military guy to another... let it go. Nothing was meant by it, but to get a rise out of you.

Now on to more important things! What the heck were your boys thinking stranding infants and little old ladies on jets for 11 hours? Are you telling me that prior to the 11 hour point no one in the pointy end of the jet requested a bus to transport your passengers to the terminal? I'm sad to say we treated our Gitmo-bound prisoners better than you'all treated fine American citizens.

BBB

 

[Jetpipeovht]

We are definitely mis connecting here. How is encouraging a left seat rj guy to go on to better things a negative? And where does the ALPA strike pin come in? It is getting late in the evening and I am sure the liquor is kicking in like last night (and the night before, etc, etc) but bring it together for me.

You sit there and insult him and now you try to encourage him? Especially from the position that you are in now? Like I said, people like you will never take this job seriously because of your hobby mentality and admitting that you wore a strike pin makes me want to puke. You lowered the bar and you don't even know it.

Geez, I had enough of your petty rebuttals but they certainly were amusing.

Go fly your RJ sell out.

By the way since you don't read too well. I DONT FLY AN RJ AND I AM NOT IN THE RIGHT SEAT. So that would rule me out as a J4J guy.

 

[Jetpipeovht]

....oops dbl post sry.

 

[Deli Guy]

You sit there and insult him and now you try to encourage him? Especially from the position that you are in now? Like I said, people like you will never take this job seriously because of your hobby mentality and admitting that you wore a strike pin makes me want to puke. You lowered the bar and you don't even know it.

Geez, I had enough of your petty rebuttals but they certainly were amusing.

Go fly your RJ sell out.

By the way since you don't read too well. I DONT FLY AN RJ AND I AM NOT IN THE RIGHT SEAT. So that would rule me out as a J4J guy.

Sorry you have made such poor choices and your life and that you have to take your job so seriously. I am sorry that you want to puke, but I think it is more the booze than anything. ALPA lowered the bar and you got screwed. Sorry but some of us press on. Glad I could amuse you. I will go fly that nice jet and enjoy it while you are flying whatever it is you fly in whatever seat you fly and are hating every minute of it.

 

[8vATE]

Go fly your RJ sell out.

By the way since you don't read too well. I DONT FLY AN RJ AND I AM NOT IN THE RIGHT SEAT. So that would rule me out as a J4J guy.

Why don't you two girls take your heels off and head out to the parking lot?

 

[Deli Guy]

Under the FWIW category... I got a chuckle about the wife comments. I'm sure I served in a different (less politically correct squadron than Deli) ... flying from one crappy corner of the planet to the next, one thing was predictable... the more we drank, the more "eloquent and beautiful" the recitations of love and respect your buddies would share about your wife/girlfriend.

Deli... from one military guy to another... let it go. Nothing was meant by it, but to get a rise out of you.

Now on to more important things! What the heck were your boys thinking stranding infants and little old ladies on jets for 11 hours? Are you telling me that prior to the 11 hour point no one in the pointy end of the jet requested a bus to transport your passengers to the terminal? I'm sad to say we treated our Gitmo-bound prisoners better than you'all treated fine American citizens.

BBB

Yeah, I don't think anyone minded their buddies yanking their chain, but this is some FI nutjob who I am pretty sure is a closet wierdo. I actually thought the exchange was kind of fun because it was so ludicrous. On to the more important things. I have no idea what happened because I was stuck in the terminal as my flights canceled and I tried to help the crowd figure out what was going on. It was an absolute cluster, but I will tell you it was twice as bad in Detroit in 99 (I think) with NWA when it took about a week to sort it all out. What NWA came up with after that was a "3 hour" rule that triggered a "recovery plan" to get the airplane back to the gate. I am sure our guys tried, but until I get the whole story, I will reserve judgement.

 

[Deli Guy]

Why don't you two girls take your heels off and head out to the parking lot?

Oh come now. What kind of girl do you think I am?

 

[Deli Guy]

....oops dbl post sry.

hic........hic.........

 

[Big Beer Belly]

You two are locked in some lesbian cyber-biatch-slap contest! Deli... apparently your wife's throat has been traumatized and Jet we found a bottle near it... Jack is on the case but CTU has been attacked again... more at 11!

BBB

 

[Deli Guy]

You two are locked in some lesbian cyber-biatch-slap contest! Deli... apparently your wife's throat has been traumatized and Jet we found a bottle near it... Jack is on the case but CTU has been attacked again... more at 11!

BBB

Oh, I saw that one already.

 

[frequentflya]

Year 2 I at JB I will be making the same because I will upgrade to Capt on the 190. I can quote any rates I like because I lived through the BK at NWA and earned my spurs. By year 5 (4 years from now) I will upgrade to left seat on the Airbus. 4 years from now at NWA I could probably be in the right seat of the 320 or 757. That is barring age 60 to 65, mergers, and "Compass" stealing 100 seat flying or the retirement of the DC9. Some pretty big ifs. Ya I thought so.

You are flying a regional aircraft on routes that were once flown by mainline equipment and crews. I don't buy it, no one thinking clear and in a right frame of mind that would be considered sane would consider the 190 anything more than regional jet equipment, you are part of the problem of why the Legacy carriers are in the trouble they are in. Always a **** out there willing to fly for less, and do the job of a mainline pilot for next to nothing in pay.

Oh.... but you don't need the money there brightspark and you are happy! I forgot I did read that part of your reply, the blue juice must have got to you on day one!

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones, JB's glory days are numbered if you keep up the brilliant antics as of late.

 

[frequentflya]

Ok dude, what were you making at Year 2 at NWA flying that Diesel 9 around???? And year two at JB??? Ya thought so....and don't quote post BK pay rates, as those are the results of the likes of JB rates...

Ditto, the results are the direct results of the likes of JB rates. Again, it is nothing more than a regional jet. Mr. EMB190 will not compare rates because he knows BS is called on the majority of his responses in miserable attempts to defend his pay, QOL, upgrade times, etc.

FWIW - your company's performance keeps up on this brilliant streak the company may not be there long enough to feed you enough blue juice to get you over to that left seat of your regional jet.

 

[HA25]

while you and Jetpipeovheat were doing whatever it was you were doing. You can slam military guys all you want--I know where I've been--how about you?

oh, don't go rushing of to pre-judge..

Any of the guys who know me (and a few do) here know that I've made a small killing in real estate and could retire today. As for Mil, I too am ex.. I just think pilots should get paid a fair wage for their work. It's not a "fun" job, it's a REAL job. I don't know if you've watched the cost of energy, housing, and food over the past 10 years, but it's gone in the opposite direction to wages, especially those of pilots. Free market my ass! It's the lobbying power of executives with BOTH the democrats and republicans (Reblicrats) that makes the market move more than any other factor.

 

[Mamma]

Ditto, the results are the direct results of the likes of JB rates. Again, it is nothing more than a regional jet. Mr. EMB190 will not compare rates because he knows BS is called on the majority of his responses in miserable attempts to defend his pay, QOL, upgrade times, etc.

FWIW - your company's performance keeps up on this brilliant streak the company may not be there long enough to feed you enough blue juice to get you over to that left seat of your regional jet.

I guess I will chime in now for my 2 cents worth. First, Deli makes more his first two years than my buds over at Continental and Alaska...provided he upgrades. Second, I used to have to fly (as a pax) on a real RJ from St Louis to New York....a route mainline used to fly. RJs, while great on getting low time guys their hours, really smacked the profession in the "weenkie." Is American Eagle selling out the profession? Last, as far as JB going down the drain over this screw up....an old captain once told me "Everyone makes mistakes, its how you recover from them that show what you're made of." Last, is a DC-9 an RJ? How many seats make an RJ? Who knows the answer to this? I don't fly for JB but I get a little tired of all the ignorant rants going on from supposed professionals. Either get your facts straight and make an intelligent argument that benefits the collective mindset of us all or just shut the he11 up!

 

[HA25]

I guess I will chime in now for my 2 cents worth. First, Deli makes more his first two years than my buds over at Continental and Alaska...provided he upgrades.

So now pilot careers are measured in durations of 2 years???

Check out the 20-25 year career at both B6 and CAL, and more over, check out how many hours one spends at his job at both.

oh.. and what about 2% A-fund, and 12% B-fund?

 

[Mamma]

So now pilot careers are measured in durations of 2 years???

Check out the 20-25 year career at both B6 and CAL, and more over, check out how many hours one spends at his job at both.

Some pilot careers are actually measured in durations of 2 years. Not that that is a good thing, but it happens. That was not the point though. Bashing JB's starting pay while putting blinders on to the rest of the industry leaves one with only half the story. As far as the 20-25 year career, only time will tell who wins in the end. There are no guarantees in this industry. As for the hours spent at one's job, it differs from person to person and company to company. I'll bet the senior guys at JB don't slave away anymore than the senior ones at CAL. I am first in line to say their 190 captain rates suck. I am not defending the payrate. Its just that I hear they are organizing so support them and give them the chance. Every organization has their dirtbags so don't lump everyone together. Last, what do you define as an RJ? I am not baiting anyone, I just want to know what the official definition is? Is a DC-9, 737-200 or 717 an RJ? What is the cutoff?

 

[Mamma]

oh.. and what about 2% A-fund, and 12% B-fund?

I don't count on getting my A-fund anymore than I count on getting social security. How much is SWA's A fund? Doesn't matter. JB's retirement sucks huge but the pilots are trying to do something about it. Unionizing takes a little while...give it a chance. Who knows, maybe Neeleman will see the light and offer them something respectable. Maybe not.

 

[Deli Guy]

You are flying a regional aircraft on routes that were once flown by mainline equipment and crews. I don't buy it, no one thinking clear and in a right frame of mind that would be considered sane would consider the 190 anything more than regional jet equipment, you are part of the problem of why the Legacy carriers are in the trouble they are in. Always a **** out there willing to fly for less, and do the job of a mainline pilot for next to nothing in pay.

Oh.... but you don't need the money there brightspark and you are happy! I forgot I did read that part of your reply, the blue juice must have got to you on day one!

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones, JB's glory days are numbered if you keep up the brilliant antics as of late.

Whatever you say. So who was flying those mainline routes anyway? JFK-RIC/JFK-CMH/JFK-PWM? You are wrong. On the don't need the money thing. Its not about not wanting to make the money I did--Its just not there nor will it get better. Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, Canadair etc will not stop making airplanes. The old airplanes are not going away. We have a glut of airplanes and pilots. That creates downward pressure on the price of airplanes and wages of pilots. Do you think locomotive engineers were happy with the automobile? If you want to fight the inevitable to your dying day go ahead. Just tell me, Who do you work for and I will tell you what your pilot group has done to hurt "Our Profession" Southwest? they started what you see as the evils of the LCC model. Copied by Frontier, Airtran, Alaska, Jetblue. Comair? Everyone has a Comair clone nowadays and this sector of the airline model is pumping out thousands and thousands of young pilots hungary for your job. You are not mad at their FOs for making $18 an hour. You are not mad that Continental has a bunch of scabs and pays their guys $26 an hour with no medical for 6 mos. Why are you mad at me for $47 an hour year 1 with the quick upgrade to Capt?
Again--you want me to be sorry for arranging my life so that I am diversified? You remind me of going crabbing. You catch a bushel of crabs and you don't need to worry about a lid because if one tries to get free, the others will reach up and pull him back. I haven't thrown stones. I seem to remember these comments made about Southwest.

 

[Deli Guy]

oh, don't go rushing of to pre-judge..

Any of the guys who know me (and a few do) here know that I've made a small killing in real estate and could retire today. As for Mil, I too am ex.. I just think pilots should get paid a fair wage for their work. It's not a "fun" job, it's a REAL job. I don't know if you've watched the cost of energy, housing, and food over the past 10 years, but it's gone in the opposite direction to wages, especially those of pilots. Free market my ass! It's the lobbying power of executives with BOTH the democrats and republicans (Reblicrats) that makes the market move more than any other factor.

Oh I won't. So what is it? Just guys who stuck it out and retired that sets you on edge? I think we should get paid a fair wage as well. See my above post for the reasons that our wages are under duress. Its not a fun job? You need a new job. I live on this planet too. Cost have gone up--except the cost of air travel. Why? Competition in an over bloated industry. Can you change that? Go on and spend a lifetime of worry and ulcers. I'll just do my thing.

 

[HA25]

Oh I won't. So what is it? Just guys who stuck it out and retired that sets you on edge? I think we should get paid a fair wage as well. See my above post for the reasons that our wages are under duress. Its not a fun job? You need a new job. I live on this planet too. Cost have gone up--except the cost of air travel. Why? Competition in an over bloated industry. Can you change that? Go on and spend a lifetime of worry and ulcers. I'll just do my thing.

someone has to fight to good fight.. otherwise it's dunkirk all over again.

 

[Deli Guy]

someone has to fight to good fight.. otherwise it's dunkirk all over again.

You are just the man to do it. Good Luck.

 

[Lead Sled]

Man, reading this thread has given me one raging headache. I'm I glad that I got out of airline flying when I did and have spent the last 20 something years in corporate cockpits. Listen to you all, you guys are all arguing about who has the best deck chairs on the Titanic, Andria Doria, Lusitania. etc.

LS

 

[Deli Guy]

Man, reading this thread has given me one raging headache. I'm I glad that I got out of airline flying when I did and have spent the last 20 something years in corporate cockpits. Listen to you all, you guys are all arguing about who has the best deck chairs on the Titanic, Andria Doria, Lusitania. etc.

LS

You have hit the nail on the head.