Jetblue earnings

[skirt]

I guess this one is my fault. But if I ever came across before as a "woman" (no offense Skirt, et al.) I must correct the record and say that I still count myself part of the testosterone-generating side of the human species.

Absolutely no offense taken! I'll try to keep the balance with a dose of estrogen every now and then.

Skirt

 

[Skank]

I agree, a little humility goes a long way. USNFEDEX, we are paid well. Obviously you are paid more than us. Good for you.

About that 8 in 24 thing you keep on mentioning. It is legal to fly more than 8 in 24, so when you continually characterize the discussion as an 8 in 24 problem you seem to be off the topic. You mean no more than 8 hours between rest periods (right?).

 

[colorado418]

I agree, a little humility goes a long way. USNFEDEX, ]About that 8 in 24 thing you keep on mentioning. It is legal to fly more than 8 in 24, so when you continually characterize the discussion as an 8 in 24 problem you seem to be off the topic. You mean no more than 8 hours between rest periods (right?).

UH OH....

Here we go again.....

 

[de Pez]

I think there's some confusion here in terms of "8 in 24". It depends on what type of carrier (i.e. flag, domestic, or supplemental) you happen to work for. (Or if you're flying a Part 91 leg for a fractional in another scenario.)

However, sticking with Part 121, in a traditional domestic scenario, you must be able to "look back" over the last 24 hours and not exceed 8 hours of flight time. (It is possible to exceed "8 in 24" due to weather or other issues once blocked out, but you can not accept a trip which, as SCHEDULED will cause you to exceed 8 in 24.) Clear as mud, right?

The irony here is that as a supplemental carrier, FedEx for example, you actually can: "Pilot may be scheduled to exceed 8 hours during 24 consecutive hours...IF he has received an INTERVENING legal rest period or twice the block hours flown since his last legal rest period.." (i.e. fly for five hours, rest for ten hours, and fly four more)

The differences hold true for Flag carriers also. I'm not going to talk anymore about this subject because it makes my head hurt, but it all depends on WHO (or is it whom?) you're flying for. (A perfect example is JB looking for an "8 in 24" exemption to fly trancon [domestic carrier]).

 

[Mr Zog]

Not to beat a dead horse, but here is direct from the FARs concerning 8 in 24. The key is scheduled to fly more than 8 in 24. Jet Blue is a Flag operation so they are governed by 121.481.

§ 121.481 Flight time limitations: One or two pilot crews.
(a) A certificate holder conducting flag operations may schedule a pilot to fly in an airplane that has a crew of one or two pilots for eight hours or less during any 24 consecutive hours without a rest period during these eight hours.


Now in regards to the Jet Blue waiver, from what I have talked to pilots there it does make sense. Right now, correct me if I am wrong, the pairing in question leaves JFK in the morning arrives at the left coast in the late morning. You spend minimum ground time and then fly the red-eye back to the east coast. Total disruption of circadium rythmn. The JetBlue pilots would rather quickturn the morning flight back to the east coast. IN all fairness makes sense to me.

 

[de Pez]

"JetBlue is a Flag Operation"



"Flag Operation: any scheduled operation, in turbojet aircraft, having 9 or more seats, or weighing more than 7,500 lbs. between:

1) any point within Alaska, Hawaii or any U.S. territory or possession, to any point outside Alaska, Hawaii or U.S. territories

2) any point within the 48 contiguous states or D.C. and any point outside the 48 contiguous states or D.C.

3) any point outside the U.S. and any other point outside the U.S."


JB is a Domestic carrier. (Puerto Rico is a U.S. territory and as such falls under point #1 above.)