Jet University

[PCL_128]

Hate to break it to you, but single-engine piston PIC isn't exactly valuable time either.

 

[The_Russian]

Hate to break it to you, but single-engine piston PIC isn't exactly valuable time either.

It is to my operation.

 

[414Flyer]

Well who cares, go with whatever gives you Quality of Life. Part of the problem is people rationalize taking crappy jobs with crappy wages, is that the time is "valuable" and willl get them somewhere. Any job could be rationalized like that.

There is no guarantee anything will get you anywhere in aviation, and I do not look for it to change anytime soon. If it sounds like a good job, pays well, is someplace great, the the kind of time it is ranks secondary to me.

 

[Flyer1015]

Actually at Pinnacle, you can upgrade in about 2 years even as a low time pilot. There is a mentor program meant for those hired at Pinnacle with 500TT or less. You fly at least 1300 hours in the Pinnacle CRJ, and once you have 1800TT, you can enter the mentor program and fly with certain mentor Captains for 100 hrs. Once you hit 2000TT, you are eligible to upgrade to Captain with the credit from the mentor program. So even if you're hired with 500TT or even less, you can upgrade at Pinnacle in 2 years.

 

[The_Russian]

Well who cares, go with whatever gives you Quality of Life. Part of the problem is people rationalize taking crappy jobs with crappy wages, is that the time is "valuable" and willl get them somewhere. Any job could be rationalized like that.

There is no guarantee anything will get you anywhere in aviation, and I do not look for it to change anytime soon. If it sounds like a good job, pays well, is someplace great, the the kind of time it is ranks secondary to me.

Well said, as always.

BTW, your avatar is awesome.

 

[fl350av8rix]

Referring to a few posts back, they don't even give you the 4 hours in the MD-80 sim anymore. Also, a friend of mine who is currently in the program told me they just changed the program to simply a "generic" jet transition program.

 

[Flyer1015]

Referring to a few posts back, they don't even give you the 4 hours in the MD-80 sim anymore. Also, a friend of mine who is currently in the program told me they just changed the program to simply a "generic" jet transition program.

LOL! I'm not surprised.

 

[BrownStreak]

Before I say this, I want to point out that I'm not speaking of every JetU grad, just the ones I know.

Two of the worst pilots I've ever had to fly with came from that rickshaw operation. While they both clearly were able to make it through the sim as they were out flying the line, they were better described as ballast in the real aircraft. Not even a little situational awareness or ability to learn and adapt. One of them completely stopped flying the airplane at 50ft AGL during every single attempt at a landing he made. I have never had to take the controls from one individual so many times, and it wasn't to make the flight smooth, it was to stop a crash.

Aviator4Life, you miss our points. I could sit here and rip on the ability, or lack thereof, of these kids who come from a place like JetU...but that wouldn't solve the problem. What we are all saying is that life experience is what makes a good pilot, not learning how to watch the autopilot do approaches in a fancy microsoft flight simulator that maybe resembles a real airplane. You really think those clowns know the systems better than the captains? Please. They may be able to spout off ten times the inconsequencial numbers, but if they can't operate the systems correctly during day to day operations then I pose this question...What the hell good are they to me? It makes my life harder and quite frankly if and when a situation were to arise I would likely be better off handling it on my own as opposed to letting a guy like that make it worse.

You need to get off your high horse and realize that you don't know every f***ing thing. Be humble and realize there are better ways to learn than to drop the cost of a decent vehicle on a nonsense and worthless "school" operated by a bunch of airline washouts.

The eastern guy you refer to is a good teacher as I've experienced for myself, but the jack@ss that runs the place couldn't even pass upgrade in the BE1900 and flunked out of FO initial at one of the DL connection carriers.

You want to give your money to these clowns? Go ahead, but I'd take everything they tell you with a grain of salt...and don't expect to be trusted by any of us that have had the experience of protecting the aircraft from one of the lackies that came from there. They are liars, and no matter what they tell you they cannot guarentee you a d@mn thing.

To anyone else considering a program like that....hear this:
With the way things currently are, you would be much better off taking that money and splitting time in a light twin (a duchess or seneca, research it they are out there) with another person and FLY. It's the only way you're going to gain any useful experience. Don't think the regionals are oblivious to the fact that guys who show up with real flight time like this are way more likely to succeed in training. Good luck to all.

 

[acaTerry]

How about the senority number you lost flight instructing for two years (WHATS THAT GONNA COST YA)

Just be happy you are a pilot living your dream, and if you are not living your dream then stop flying and stop whining.

Well, don't go on the seniority claim. That's a favorite of the phony "in the know" salespeople at these places. For all you know, all you may be missing is a furlough. It's aviation...unpredictable.

Learn to spell...it's "know" not "no". It is hard to make a point and sound smart when you spell like a first-grade student.

Normally The Russian and I are arguing because we talk politics and Ruskie is a flaming liberal (that's a shot Ruskie ) but I'm 100% on board with Ruskie here. I think YOU may want to button the mouth before you get into it.

And finally, my favorite...you are obviously a newbie in professional flying. I can tell by your comment on "be happy to be a pilot" and "quit whining". First, we are all happy that we are pilots. But spouting off about the poor pay and working conditions is NOT whining. When you have invested years and tons of money only to be screwed, it is not whining. Whining is complaining about winning $1,000,000 in a $50,000,000 lottery. My prediction is that when the shiny coat of new pilot afterglow wears off and you have been screwed like the regional pilots, that you too will sing a different tune.
In the meantime, I will just watch here from the fractional sidelines thanking God that I am no longer an airline pilot.

 

[acaTerry]

Hate to break it to you, but single-engine piston PIC isn't exactly valuable time either.

Maybe not the best, but I'd rather have a piston king who can put a picture together because he's benn flying an AIRPLANE in REAL FLIGHT with ATC and OTHER PLANES and WEATHER than a whizbang simulator pro who 250 hrs of flying time but 500 in a box that is simply a mathematically programmed product, and thinks he's Superpilot.