Jet Blue Concessions?

[FDJ2]

Heard a rumor on the JS the other day that due to JB losses that they are currently, or going to be asking concessions of pilot group.

Technically speaking, JBLU's management doesn't have to ask or negotiate for concessions. They can take what they want, when they want it.

 

[Dizel8]

So lets see the new e-mail guys. The last one that was doom and gloom until Jan was posted fairly quickly. Lets get the new one up so we can see what is going on with the 320 classes.

There is no reason for you to see it, just like the earlier one was not for public display, sorry!

 

[My Man SMITH!]

guys, this thread is very entertaining. It's also a great way to relieve the stress involved with the phase 2 wait. Entering week 8, and running out of ideas on how to tame the stress. This thread seems to be doing a fine job. Keep 'em coming. :laugh: This is good stuff!

 

[FDJ2]

So lets see the new e-mail guys.

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva][SIZE=-1]From: Bushy, Dave
Sent: Tue 4/25/2006 12:14 PM
To: BluePilots
Subject: The Business of the Business of JetBlue


Dear JetBlue Pilots,

Today, on our quarterly earnings call, we announced a significant change to our fleet plan for the next year. I encourage each of you to listen to the call, read David and Dave's Bluenote and attend upcoming Pocket Sessions, to learn more about the business decisions associated with the sale of 2-5 aircraft within the next year and the slowing of deliveries. Please also take the time to review the other steps we are taking on the revenue and cost side, as a corporation, in order to return to profitability.

The moves are smart and they are nimble - reflective of our top leaders, who understand that economic models and economies change. Those who adapt in business can thrive. We plan on doing just that! By ensuring that we take delivery of the right number of aircraft based on projected fuel costs and revenues, we intend to prove that a company can make bold decisions to ensure our long-term success. And we can do it without cutting Crewmembers or affecting our cultural roots - we can adapt and be smart.

I wrote to you a month ago to tell you that we intended to tackle the challenges that confront us. Though the challenges are daunting, we are convinced that the moves that are being made will not only return us to profitability - they can ensure our long-term success as both a business and an airline.

How You Can Help: We have just launched a major new fuel initiative, aiming to save at least $10 million for the remainder of the year. Every department will be asked to join in, but I know that you, as the men and women with your hands on the thrust levers, will be the people who can lead us to success, as you did in the One Percent Fuel $ Challenge last year. Expect to hear more about the Fuel Initiative in the coming weeks.

In the near-term, the changes in the fleet will affect all of us. Based on projected aircraft and total block hours, here is what you can expect:

Hiring and Staffing:

* The last A320 First Officer classes will be held in May 2006. The last A320 Captain upgrade class is in June 2006, with most of the slots planned for BOS. No normal upgrades or hiring for the A320 can be expected until at least December 2006, or perhaps January of 2007.

* E190 deliveries will be unaffected. As a consequence, we will continue to upgrade the original 144 E190 Captains (all will be trained by September). We will continue to hire E190 Pilots commensurate with the number of aircraft arriving this year and next (there are 26 aircraft total for this year).

* We will likely launch a "Captain Qualified First Officer" program later this year, whereby First Officers can bid to be trained and qualified as Captains, and then be paid as Captains when they are assigned or requested to fly as Pilot-In-Command. Details will need to be worked out, but the training would likely occur in September.

* We will likely defer some Recurrent Training from August into September to compensate for the reduction in flying from the summer months to the fall.

* The number of IOE's and OE's on the A320 will drop dramatically after July.

* In September-October, we are strategically reducing our schedules in some markets, such as Transcons, based on input from Revenue and Schedule Planning.

* The normal lull in flying, when kids go back to school in September, will allow us to send our aircraft in for maintenance and needed modifications during September and October. This is a normal part our business, but we will try to be even more surgical on this than in previous years, working to preserve the profits from the summer months and being smart about the flying during "trough" months.

Flight Hours:

* Plan on normal bid divisors through June and then high bid divisors through July and August.

* September and October will see very low bid divisors on the A320, and, to some extent, on the E190. Regular line holders may see minimum and maximum numbers in the mid to low 70's. Though we have explored ideas of R & R for our pilots, it seems to make sense for everybody to reduce the bid divisors (leaves, of course, will be granted if requested).

* Bid Divisors will then go back up in the last two months of the year, as we once again enter the busy travel season.

Thank you!

Considering all the above, remember that we will still continue to be the fastest growing domestic airline in this country. Our Crewmembers and the JetBlue Experience are what make us unique. The steps we are taking today are smart business ones that will ensure our continued success - a success that has been earned by each of you on every flight you fly. Thank you for all you do each and every day to deliver the JetBlue Experience to our Customers. We will succeed in the future because of you.

Sincerely,


Dave Bushy, Scott Green and the Flight Operations Leadership Team [/SIZE][/FONT]

 

[Truckdriver]

There is no reason for you to see it, just like the earlier one was not for public display, sorry!

There are lots of us who may be interested in working at JBLU, may be interviewing soon at JBLU, or are in Phase II. It would sure be nice if we could see it. Like the last one, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt JBLU if it was posted in flightinfo. I don't see why it would hurt for someone to post it here unless they are afraid JBLU might fire them over the issue.

 

[zonker]

guys, this thread is very entertaining. It's also a great way to relieve the stress involved with the phase 2 wait. Entering week 8, and running out of ideas on how to tame the stress. This thread seems to be doing a fine job. Keep 'em coming. :laugh: This is good stuff!

Absolutely asinine that they make you wait that long. I can't believe they're still doing this.

Where are the values here?

 

[Truckdriver]

I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva][SIZE=-1]From: Bushy, Dave
Sent: Tue 4/25/2006 12:14 PM
To: BluePilots
Subject: The Business of the Business of JetBlue
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No that was the first one, it sounds like they got an update today that puts the 320 classes earlier than next Dec or Jan. Thanks for trying to help out though.

 

[airbaker]

We just received a second update regarding manning this morning.

I can't post the letter but it did say that we're going to upgrade 6 more captains in June and then run upgrade classes in August, Sept. and October. I believe it also said that newhires into the bus will end in May, but pick up again in early fall. So all in all, it's an improvement in staffing projections from the first announcement.

 

[IB6 UB9]

Technically speaking, JBLU's management doesn't have to ask or negotiate for concessions. They can take what they want, when they want it.

And this is any different than what management group lately?

 

[Spectre]

...What, make me give up my $1.50/hour longevity raise this year? Ok, I'll agree to freeze my current pay.

 

[HalinTexas]

Well, I hope they continue hiring into the Bus. I'm interviewing in two weeks. My family can't take the EMB FO paycut. That would be another 50% or so on top of the 60% I've already taken.

 

[jbvt]

I think it is only a concession if they agree to it. If it is imposed I think they call it a paycut.

I doubt the 190 rates are comming down, that would be flat wrong! I could see an adjustment to the pay above 70 hours thing or a freeze on the A320 rates blah blah blah.

Maybe they will take away the hefty retirement 401k match. Nevermind, that wont save much.

Here is an idea, replace all pay with stock options!

Another Jetblue interview reject heard from, go back to the commuter board little boy.

 

[tico]

Yea, the unions at Delta, Northwest, United, and Alaska showed them. No concessions, our union would never let that happen.

True at Delta, Northwest and United.. Not true at Alaska. If and when you get a paycut it will come in much the same form as we got ours at Alaska...We were told on May 1st 2005 "this is what you will now be paid" . That is not something we voted on or negotiated. You too would be told in much the same manner if it ever happens... Only difference is Dave Nielman(not sure of the spelling) will not have to drop a million on an arbitrator as Bill Ayer did...However the result will be the same. He will be much wealthier and you will be looking for other ways to make the ends meet.......Lovely business

 

[Hutchman]

Another Jetblue interview reject heard from, go back to the commuter board little boy.

Ouch, that hurt. I will now take my toys and go home. You sure got me. Wow, what will I do now? I am not sure why I would go to the commuter board, but if you think I should......

 

[Dizel8]

There are lots of us who may be interested in working at JBLU, may be interviewing soon at JBLU, or are in Phase II.

Well, then ask at the interview or when the job offer comes!

It would sure be nice if we could see it.

There are a lot of things that would be nice to see , but it often does not happen.

Like the last one, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt JBLU if it was posted in flightinfo.

Again, even though you saw the last one, it really shouldn't have been posted and I doubt internal communications are meant for mass distribution. Although, why not send an email to our public relations departments and say you think they should publish such emails.

I don't see why it would hurt for someone to post it here unless they are afraid JBLU might fire them over the issue.

No one will get fired over that issue!

 

[Bavarian Chef]

Absolutely asinine that they make you wait that long. I can't believe they're still doing this.

Where are the values here?

Phase II -- 3 and a half weeks. But then I am charming and handsome and I can do a keg stand for 10 minutes. Oh and I was one of those HIGHLY INEXPERIENCED WET BEHIND THE EARS MILITARY ONLY pilots so maligned on this carnival of wits we call the "fi." I had never even done a CAT II ILS or the Carnasie Climb, much less a layover in Boise! The horror.

You don't want to work at jb. You may have to fly with a dude who's landed on aircraft carriers or dropped warheads on foreheads or tanked a million times at night, in the goo, on goggles. How will he handle the pressure when you find out that the USA Today you were saving was from yesterday, or worse yet, that your $10 Wolfgang Puck Asian Airport Salad didn't come with wasabi?

 

[starvingredtail]

Heard a rumor on the JS the other day that due to JB losses that they are currently, or going to be asking concessions of pilot group. Can anyone confirm or deny?

I'm pretty sure that you have that confused with our new business partner, the Catholic Church. Very much in the same "co branding" spirit as serving Dunkin Donuts coffee, we have been ordained to hear confessions and I do not think you heard "JB losses" I think you heard about our new "JB crosses".

 

[3BCat]

Neeleman talks about concessions!

Heard a rumor on the JS the other day that due to JB losses that they are currently, or going to be asking concessions of pilot group. Can anyone confirm or deny?

I heard Neeleman talking about concessions just the other day. You have my word! He is interested in obtaining concessions in their brand new terminal at JFK. That way, you get a nice variety of places to shop and eat, while you make your way to the gate. I expect lots of concessions for all before you fly away on a brand new Airbus or Embraer jet.

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I smell BACON!

 

[dtfl]

...What, make me give up my $1.50/hour longevity raise this year? Ok, I'll agree to freeze my current pay.

hey BF - how's life? I was down around MCO this past weekend!