Jepp Users - Subscription Questions...

[minitour]

If I go with a subscription (which it looks like I will), at the end of my 12 months, do I just purchase an additional "update package" for the next year or do I have to buy the "system" all over again? If I just get the "updates", how much cheaper is it than the whole "system"?

I'm looking at probably buying the East subscription. I really only need the Northeast and the Great Lakes but it's actually cheaper to get the entire East Coast (which I don't understand at all, but okay), so I'm hoping I can just get the "revisions" for less than the $500 each year.

Also, and this is even for you NOS users, perhaps even ATCers, when you see an area designated as "Class B" airspace and you're IFR, how do you know when you're below it? I realize that going in the airspace IFR is no big deal since your clearance in the airspace is your clearance, but below the lateral limits of Class B airspace you can't exceed 200 knots (not that it's a problem for my mighty 152, but I am curious for future reference)? Does approach give you a speed restriction? Are you expected to be checking on a sectional? (Which I can't imagine being much help) I've seen the "'area" charts for Class C, but not for any Class B airports, so maybe the answer is in there, but for now I'm clueless.

And finally, with the "revisions", I'm assuming that includes the Low enroute charts too? If so, how often do you find yourself getting revised low enroute charts?

Oops, one more... Anyone use the "Airport Guide"? Is it just a Jepp version of an AFD? Opinions on those? Worth the $42 for the year? Easy/hard to revise? Again the question on after a year, do I just buy new or do I get additional "updates"?

Thanks for any/all input. I pretty much have in mind what I want to do, I just want to make sure I'll be okay if/when I do and not still be screwed for charts.

-mini

 

[FracCapt]

Also, and this is even for you NOS users, perhaps even ATCers, when you see an area designated as "Class B" airspace and you're IFR, how do you know when you're below it? I realize that going in the airspace IFR is no big deal since your clearance in the airspace is your clearance, but below the lateral limits of Class B airspace you can't exceed 200 knots (not that it's a problem for my mighty 152, but I am curious for future reference)? Does approach give you a speed restriction? Are you expected to be checking on a sectional? (Which I can't imagine being much help) I've seen the "'area" charts for Class C, but not for any Class B airports, so maybe the answer is in there, but for now I'm clueless.

One of the first charts for a primary class B airport is the class B lateral and vertical boundaries. I think it's chart 10-1 in Jepps. I don't think that NOS prints these charts. Yes, you are expected to know when you are beneath the class B and the appropriate speed. ATC will not tell you when to slow down just because you're beneath the class B - you are expected to know that.

Occasionally ATC will tell somebody that is below the B to slow to 200, but I have only once heard them give anybody any grief over going too fast.

Another thing to keep in mind is the 200KIAS speed limit in class C and D airspace within 4nm of the airport and below 2500'(above the airport). I see guys bust this one(and I admit, I have too) all the time on takeoff. It's not uncommon to be doing 250kts less than 2 miles from the airport at 1,000ft after takeoff....or, in the case of TEB, where they make you level off at 1500 when you depart runway 19 or 24 on the TEB5 departure.

It's really sad that I can quote that damm departure nearly word for word and I live 1000 miles away.....I hate flying into Teterhole.

 

[minitour]

Thanks for the help there! Much appreciated!

-mini

 

[avbug]

Mini,

When you purchase your jepps, you'll pay for the initial charts and a year of revisions. At the end of that year, all you need to pay is a year of revision subscription. Generally you purchase low altitude enroute and terminal together. You can also request high altitude if you like, but that wouldn't do much for you right now, and it's just more paper to deal with.

Look on ebay for the binders. Jepp binders are expensive. You can get them for much less online. Get either the leather or the duraflow. Go with two inch binders.

Your charts will have airspace charts for each major area. Personally, I've always encouraged the carriage of both IFR and VFR charts on board, even for VFR-only pilots. There's information available on IFR charts that isn't, of course, available on VFR charts, and the airport diagrams are easy to use.

I had my own jepp charts before long before employers started providing my charts; it's not a bad way to go. You'll get familiar with them, and if it's something you plan to go on doing in the future, that will be a big help to you.

 

[minitour]

Thanks again guys!

-mini