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Did you guys catch this...

JetBlue Airways
A Ghoulish Trick

By Tom "Smell My Feet" Jacobs
October 28, 2002

JetBlue Airways (Nasdaq: JBLU)
trading at $36.90 as of 10/24/02

I concede that the lovely, reserved leather seats face many channels of excellent satellite TV service. I admit the staff is amusing, the atmosphere light, and the fares rock bottom.

But just wait, dear shareholders, because there are skeletons rattling in the cargo hold.

Anyone old enough to remember People's Express or any number of other discount airlines can tell you they've seen it all before. JetBlue is just another chapter -- albeit blue -- of the same old airline playbook. It's an industry that has, in its history, lost more money than it ever created. Given enough time, all airlines are a hex on their shareholders. Sure, in the interim, some well-managed airlines such as Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV) may reward, but they are rare, and the long term prognosis is lousy.

To bolster my case that JetBlue won't fly above the stormy weather, I offer the 10 Immutable Laws of Upstart Airlines:

1. You start an airline.

2. You buy new planes that impress customers.

3. You serve underserved markets -- none of the big folks will let you have takeoff and landing slots at airports worth having, anyway.

4. You pay lower labor costs and offer the fresh-faced employees stock options instead.

5. Your lower cost-labor structure allows you to charge lower fares.

6. But you do still have debt from buying those planes.

7. And, sooner or later, your employee costs creep up.

8. Sooner or later, you need debt to finance more planes.

9. Sooner or later, you can only increase revenues by moving in on markets others own, where you just might find another low-cost airline. As in California... as in Southwest Airlines.

10. Sooner or later, your stock, which was selling at three times sales (more than Merck (NYSE: MRK)), 27 times earnings (about the same as Johnson & Johnson (NYSE: JNJ)), and zero times no-free cash flow (because no airline ever produces sustained free cash flow), dives.

Not convinced? Let me scream past the graveyard.

JetBlue makes No. 4 even worse for shareholders. Bill Mann said:

I saw an unbelievable interview the other day, in which JetBlue's CEO said stock options were a main reason his company can keep fares low. So, the next time you fly JetBlue, be sure to thank a shareholder. She's subsidizing your ticket. That's been part of the game for so long: The company pays you some, but then the idiot shareholders make up the difference.

Here is the Mann-Jacobs corollary to Nos. 4 and 7: Sooner or later, when your employees grow wise to the fact that the options provide a short-term benefit (if that), they want more cash. They eventually unionize. Your gravy train, uh, plane, is over.

JetBlue might have a longer lease on life were it not for No. 6: it's heading for a mid-air collision with another successful, low-cost provider, Southwest. While other airlines may crash and burn, these two have each other to restrain prices, and profits, for any spoils they may share.

I would short JetBlue at anything above $35, its price when I wrote this, and make sure I've got a high enough equity balance to hold it through any price rise that could bring a margin call. But please note: Shorting is not for beginning investors. Many investors who do short have a rule that they cover their short at a certain percentage above their short price, say, 20% or 25%. If you aren't 100% comfortable that you understand the risks of shorting, please spend more time learning about shorting first, and a good place is our special, Is Shorting Stocks Foolish?

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Who is Tom Jacobs, and what is The Motley Fool?

Apparently, he is an investment adviser with an on-line newsletter?
 
Yeah, saw that. JBLU is up more than 7% today to almost 40. :D

He's just another guy who confuses a well-run airline with PeoplExpress... again.

He doesn't have the life cycle of startup airlines correct. He doesn't even understand that only a handful of airports have takeoff and landing "slots". He's an amateur when it comes to airlines.

Few startups buy new airplanes. Few offer stock options. Few offer even adequate pay. Few offer even adequate service. Few start up with enough money to even begin to build the operation. Few ever even go public. How many startup airlines have done all of the above, and also showed a profit? One.

Thus... not a very good short, is it? You can't use his model for startup airlines, because it hasn't been done this way before. This article is misguided at best.
 
The Motley Fool is a long established personal investing website, plus the guys who started it have a few great books published. That said, many of the contributors to the site are amatuer investors...I don't know if the writer of the above article is an amatuer or not, but anyone who takes investing advice from from an online source better make darn sure they do their own research also.

Now, on the stock options thing, I'm not one to turn down "free" anything, including stock options...BUT, once it becomes part of your salary, trouble can arise (I'm not knowledgeable on how JB issues the options, so don't take this as a bash of JB). Stock options are a great benefit. It is great to believe in your company, but when you work for a company, and part of your compensation is in company stock, you are putting all of your eggs in one basket. Stock options tend to work out well for CEOs because they are issued at a low strike price, but airlines tend to give options at market price. So, if part of your compensation is stock options, and you get issued the options at market price, then the price falls...what are you getting paid?

Just another deep thought.

See
 
Seeniner said:
So, if part of your compensation is stock options, and you get issued the options at market price, then the price falls...what are you getting paid?

Depends completely on how you look at it. If you consider stock options as an integral part of your income stream, you're going to be disappointed. It's also unrealistic, and a waste to cash in too early. If you look at it as a potential reward for taking a risk with a small and growing company, it could be a very lucrative bonus. So I choose to look at it as a signing bonus that pays out over time rather than a source of regular income.

I think too many non-JetBlue people think that the main reason pilots come to work at JetBlue is to get rich on stock options, and that the only reason JetBlue pilots accept "below average" wages (compared to what, I wonder?) is because of the stock options. Not really. Even if there were no options at all, the wage is fair at this stage in JetBlue's growth, and most pilots here understand that. There's remarkably little grumbling.
 
I flew Jetblue for the first time as a passenger last week. It was by far the best non-first class flying experience I have EVER had. The TV, nice service, interesting and copious snacks (blue potato chips) blows anything Southwest offers OUT OF THE WATER. I am a huge Jetblue fan. The pilots seemed happy, the FAs were happy and motivated - it was a great experience.


The Motley Fool guy is a joke. If these stock analysts REALLY knew what they were doing, they would all be millionaires.... But they ain't.

If given a choice in the future, I'll fly Jetblue vs. Southwest anyday. As long as Jetblue can work on its costs, it will do just fine. Southwest costs are much higher (obviously not in start-up phase - it has unions and Jetblue does not YET), and it continues to do well because it avoids the "hub" trap. Jetblue will follow the same path and prosper - especially because many of its passengers are loyal and would prefer not to suffer on cramped, cattle-car Southwest flights... Roomy A320s beat cramped 737NGs anyday - especially on transcon flights.

Just my thoughts...
 
it is easy to make a profit when you dont have any aircraft debt payments.
also, there are more shared held by George Soros and other backers than are on the street. I think the ratio was 7:1? Look out when they start cashing them in.
just playing devil's advocate here, dont flame me.
 
jetdriven said:
it is easy to make a profit when you dont have any aircraft debt payments.

No, I am just not going there again. Do not make comments on matters you know nothing about. You are completely incorrect.

also, there are more shared held by George Soros and other backers than are on the street. I think the ratio was 7:1? Look out when they start cashing them in.

The lockup shares were eligible for sale early this month. Some of the shares sold, mostly by JP Morgan, which is having a bad year. Those shares have already been absorbed by the market. Mr. Soros obviously knows something you don't, since he didn't sell.

just playing devil's advocate here, dont flame me.

I'll flame you for being ignorant. You're not playing Devil's advocate. That implies you have a thoughtful argument. Enough said.
 
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Warren Buffett, the brains behind Berkshire Hathaway, says he'll never put another dime into airline stock after his US Air eperience (not pleasant). Commenting about the industry, Buffett said "`The airline business from the time of Wilbur and Orville Wright through 1991 made zero money, net. If capitalists had been present at Kitty Hawk when the Wright brothers' plane first took off, they should have shot it down.'

Warren Buffet
 
For anyone who has any info on how to get some Airbuses for free, sign me up. So, if anyone wants to go in with me and start a new airline, let me know, somewhere we can get airplanes for free. I know this based on all the threads on how JB doesn't have any payments and all income is 100% profit.


(You know it's true if you read it here, right?)
 
xXpress1 said:
I think people confuse this with the maintenance deal they have with the Frenchies. JB is paying for the planes but AirBus is picking up 99% of the Maint. costs. Is this not a fact?

Yes, it's a new form of financial protection exclusive to JetBlue. Noone else has this devastating new strategic weapon, crafted by European financial experts so that Airbus and an unknown startup can rule the world.

It's called a warranty.
 
Before reading about free jets to JB on the internet, I read it in The Wall Street Journal. Whatever is true, you have to hand it to those that worked the deal.

A more realistic thing to debate might be how Air Tran has been working revenue guarantees at a number of its new destinations, but again I say, you have to hand it to those that worked the deals.


See
 
The more things change

I thing the role reversal here is classic. If I could get into my way back machine, all the SWA'ers et al. would be wearing different uniforms cracking back on SWA in the 1970's saying it can't/won't work. Now here we are 30 years on, and they seem to be at the front of the line giving JB cr*p. There is irony here, I just can't put my finger on it.

Not too long ago SWA was a 'start up' itself. I again pose the question, I don't think JB needs any luv from SWA pilots, but why the hosiltility?

As for stock prices, I would take my chances with a new airline with a lot of upside v. a stock that has long since maturation and is basically going to be standing still for a while.

PS. the free airplanes aren't a myth, I got to chose one of them or my stock options.
 
Heres the quote:

I saw an unbelievable interview the other day, in which JetBlue's CEO said stock options were a main reason his company can keep fares low. So, the next time you fly JetBlue, be sure to thank a shareholder. She's subsidizing your ticket. That's been part of the game for so long: The company pays you some, but then the idiot shareholders make up the difference.

For the life of me, I can't understand why a shareholder wouldn't want the labor force (and management too) to have a stake in the company's future. Are pilots/management going to sink the company at shareholder expense? Not likely... The biggest gripe of some shareholders is that CEO compensation is never directly tied to stock performance...but in JB's case at least a lot of the employees will benefit (or fail) based on the success of their new company. Seems like the win/win gameplan works a lot better than the zero sum battles that plague management and labor at other airlines.
 
The labor unions at United owned a large percentage of that company's stock, but that doesn't seem to have helped them much!!!!
 
First of all, let me say that I think JetBlue offers a great product and will most likely be very successful. I have several friends who work there, and they are all quite happy, especially given the quick upgrades. After all, the easiest way to please your pilots is to grow the airline!

For those of you that do fly for JetBlue, try not to take these posts quite so personally. JetBlue is a publicly traded corporation. It exists to make a profit for all its shareholders, including those employees who own stock or stock options. Airplanes are required to earn these profits, and therefore pilots are also required. That's a good thing.

It is my understanding that JetBlue is a great place to work. But if you think of it as something more than your employer, you will most likely eventually be disappointed. JetBlue is not a flying club, your new squadron, your fraternity/sorority, or your family. It is, however, a pretty good place to work, and that is more than enough.
 
330Driver said:
For those of you that do fly for JetBlue, try not to take these posts quite so personally.

You're correct of course. Just tired of reading the same tired rumors over and over and over... Don't these ever die?
 
Jeff G

It is alright, all these pilots are now self professed airline business model anaylists. It is funny to read how so many know the best course of action each airline should take. I also get emotional when I read gossip about AMR. I did a little research, let me know if I am right.


JBLU leased the first 8 or 9 aircraft. (white tails).David is a smart cookie. He leases the first 8 to 9 aircraft to show he has a good business model that works.

He then paid for the next batch with cash from Soros and Chase. Once the IPO comes out his bond rating is excellent, so he refinaces the aircraft he paid for in cash.

He uses the new capital (from the IPO and refinance) to purchase the next batch of aircraft and then repays Soros and Chase.

His stock recently went down beacuse some the employees options became exercisable and SOME took the money and ran.
The second reason is the economy, he recently backed off his attempt at a second IPO. David needs the stock prices higher to finance his future.

He just anounced the JBLU will offer a 3:2 spilt. He is hoping to get the price down and move more shares.

I figure anyone on the pilot sen list around 70-80 is sitting with close to $250,000 woth of options.

AAflyer (wish I were sitting on that number of options):D
 
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