JBLU EMB problems

[32LT10]

What an incredibly simple mind you must have. There is so much more to an airline and a business than its stock price.

Yes you are correct there is more but the run up that you experienced is now fading as the reality of the airline sets in. Your BELF and cost are high. Maturity is hard to manage and N-man pulls it off it will be surprising. The LCC's are in the crosshairs.

How will you compete with year 1 wages from the crews at Virgin America? They say they are going to start with SFO to JFK. Pulling for the same crowd in the bay area will hurt. The next batch of sliced bread is being baked and you guys will be yesterdays news.

 

[dakotaHC8]

Sigh...


With almost 1200hrs of flying this aircraft type under my belt, I can tell you that the Embraer is going to be a success for jetBlue.

The issues that JB has already began to get a grip on stem directly from the fact that it a new aircraft for both the flight and mnx crews.

There are certain things about the E-170/190 that you need to do/not do (just like every other aircraft out there). Obviously over time, operational personnel will gain an ability to naviagate around potential snafus that comes with experience in a given fleet type

No pilot has strapped into, or Mechanic turned a wrench upon an aircraft for the first time, knowing everything there is about that plane. Sure, you are trained and tested, safe and professional, but the fact is that it takes a little time to learn the specific tricks and tips to getting the most out of your bird.

Fact is that the E-170 IS reliable for the operators that have been operating the aircraft for sometime. Same plane as the E-190, just more familiarity. Give jetBlue time, and you will see the same results.


But the fact is, many of you on here are scared that might just happen.


Scared because it represents a competitive challenge to your own airline system. One that is straddled with the uncomfortable and less capable CRJ/ERJ's in many of the markets that jetBlue will operate these aircraft.

Face it, the battle of the future in our industry will not center merely upon cost, but revenue production. And this fleet type wil enable jetBlue to move into many new markets that the A320 is just too much plane for, but can produce a healthy return with the E-190.

The battle in our domestic industry, will be for the business traveller, who seeks reliable and comfortable coach travel at a resonable price + with decent connectivity to the destinations he/she wants to travel.

Add 50+ E-190's to the jetBlue fleet, and the cities they will serve, and you can see why the Embraer is key to the future success of the airline.

Ask yourself if a jetBlue E-190 vs a CRJ is even a fair fight, and then you can see why there are so many cheerleaders rooting for the JB E-190's to fail...



Fly Safe

 

[flx757]

You may be right. If Jet Blue is actually around in 2016, it will be because their management team was 100% dedicated to adding more cowbell. Only I wonder if they share your wisdom.

Poo-poo all you wish, but NEVER underestimate the power of more cowbell...

 

[COpilot]

I hate to jump in on this one too but ask USAIR guys what they think of Dave.

As far as B6 I have nothing against them most of their guys are great. And from what I've read our lower prices to match them to FL markets have increased demand. But I too believe they should be okay in the long run, but what do I know really

NOT Dave S.!!! Dave Barger is B6, Dave B. is great... Dave S. is another thing.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

How will you compete with year 1 wages from the crews at Virgin America? .

We will start by saying "Those Virgin pilots are very bad on the radios. I heard one Virgin pilot screw up his own call sign once yesterday. Idiots. Shows a lack of experience if you ask me".

 

[flint4xx]

Where is Lowecur??????????

 

[A350]

Who is Dave S?

 

[Dave Siegel]

Who is Dave S?

We all are. Everyone has a little Dave S inside of them. It's too bad most of us are too scared to face reality.

 

[COpilot]

Who is Dave S?

Siegel... The ex President of Continental Express, ex pres. of Chap11 USAir. Now running Gate Gourmet, or someplace like that?

Barger was EWR Station VP at Continetal. Over saw the development and opening of terminal C3 and Operations during the G.B. rise. I belive he was the real reason for the success CO achieved in the EWR Hub.

 

[Apus]

We all are. Everyone has a little Dave S inside of them. It's too bad most of us are too scared to face reality.

Siegel's boyfriend is a perp too and talked during sentencing... he said Siegel really is that small and he's never quite gotten past it.

His constant checking of posts here and flame batting clearly are to get the rise and irritate. Nice job.

B6 you guys are good. I am impressed every time you give me a ride. I see a lot of good things - puts the industry on a direction of change. The technology is good for business - SWA can ignore it for about another 10 years. And SWA is clearly good and has earned their position. Things will grow and change - but not everyone sees that.

Siegel knows that SWA can and will service the Thee world and that there are no other airlines that can do anything remotely close. B6 is doomed by his Indy prognostication. Damn, he's good.. I wonder if he's... nevermind.

 

[32LT10]

We will start by saying "Those Virgin pilots are very bad on the radios. I heard one Virgin pilot screw up his own call sign once yesterday. Idiots. Shows a lack of experience if you ask me".

I wonder if they spend half the trip across the country NORDO like JBLU 191 did a few days ago?

 

[DIAMONDDD]

I wonder if they spend half the trip across the country NORDO like JBLU 191 did a few days ago?

The Feds should pull their certificates if you ask me, if they even have certificates.

 

[180ToTheMarker]

Where is Lowecur??????????

I was wondering the same. He's always praising the Jungle Jets now he is strangely absent. Maybe he is in mourning?

 

[JB Bus Drvr]

"I wonder if they spend half the trip across the country NORDO like JBLU 191 did a few days ago?"

Hey 32, if it really bothers you,why don't you call the FAA Hotline ?

Show your real colors and do it.

 

[Dave Siegel]

Hey 32, if it really bothers you,why don't you call the FAA Hotline ?

Show your real colors and do it.

You are a ..... for even suggesting that. 32 is making the point that that coast to coast NORDO stunt is incredibly stupid. Now the question on the table is: Are You?

 

[Eagleflip]

Moderator Input

Ok boys, normally I really do stand from afar and simply wish that the ill-will toward JB would somehow dissipate, but obviously that's not going to happen with Dave and 32LT10 in the forum. And that's ok...it really is.

But let's face it, gang...stating that a JetBlue flight went NORDO across the country? Really? I am not always on the forefront of activity at JetBlue, but I do know a few things--and I sure haven't heard word one about such an event. 32LT10, your comments are simply "flamebait."

My point? You ought to stop now before you get in over your head and get banned. Dave S. simply makes his points--we'll always give him that leeway as long as he continues to do so without violating the rules (even if he is arguing without logic! sorry--editorial comment).

32, stay within the rules, please. Thanks.

 

[Daddy]

Anyone know why they didn't buy A318's instead of the 190's? Seems like it would have saved a lot of training maintenance money....

 

[Dave Siegel]

Anyone know why they didn't buy A318's instead of the 190's? Seems like it would have saved a lot of training maintenance money....

Yes, indeed it would have saved in terms of training, maintenance, and logistics. Daddy is another visionary who sees the cracks in Jet Blue's foundation. Don't worry kiddies, when it all comes to light, I won't gloat too much.

www.hireasmurf.com

 

[Mr Hat]

Good God people!!!! Let it go...why does every thread have to degrade into a Jetblue bashfest? They are not a bad airline, they have persivered where others have failed. What does the future hold for them? Who knows but the same can be said about any airline out there, any one of them could go out of business in 6 months!

Jetblue's having EMB problems.....normal. Once they figure out all the resets and such, it'll be fine. I have flown the E145 for nearly 7 years and it's usually something stupid that hangs up....nothing BREAKS...it just get's hung up. Usually depowering it for a minute or so does the trick. But if not, call Mx...they will have you pull breakers in a particular order, then reset them in another order...bam fixed...lets get outta here. Our dispatch rate is very high and we almost never cancel due to Mx. Good plane, my only gripe is the lousy radar on the 145. Can anyone comment on the radar on the E170/190?

 

[727RedTails]

From what I've heard the radar is not to good on the 190.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

From what I've heard the radar is not to good on the 190.

Yea they sure have had a lot of convective activity since December to test it out on.

 

[NewBlue]

Anyone know why they didn't buy A318's instead of the 190's? Seems like it would have saved a lot of training maintenance money....

Other than a common type the 318s have very few parts in common with the 320s. Even the tires and brakes are different. The 318 is a bigger, heavier aircraft than the Embraer so the savings on training wouldn't have been sufficient to overcome the difference in fuel efficiency....or so they said.

 

[flyingitalian]

You also dont get the ego stroke, trips to brazil, and the press from going with the product you already have.

 

[Dave Siegel]

You also dont get the ego stroke, trips to brazil, and the press from going with the product you already have.

That's why Jet Blue will fail. Too much focus on ego and image, too little focus on product.

 

[Eagleflip]

Moderator Input

Dave is out for three days due to language--and if his post replicates someone else's bad language and I figure out who it is, he'll be gone as well.

 

[sbn340mech]

It's not the product, it's the price!!!!! SWA doesn't have the seat back tv's or the reserved seating but they do have lots of hedged fuel. They can take that cheap gas and take on whoever they want and crush them......

So why hasn't SWA done that yet? There's a whole international market waiting to be tapped. BTW, that fuel hedging won't last forever.

 

[fifty30retard]

From what I've heard the radar is not to good on the 190.

Probably because those jetblue guys don't know how to work the radar. If they can't talk on the radio surely operating the radar is over their head.

 

[Uppercrust]

Moderator Input

Dave is out for three days due to language--and if his post replicates someone else's bad language and I figure out who it is, he'll be gone as well.

Thanks again and good work Eagle Flip. I too get tired of all these flamers!!:laugh:

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Probably because those jetblue guys don't know how to work the radar. If they can't talk on the radio surely operating the radar is over their head.

O yep the former United, NWA, USAIR, Military dudes suddenly forget how to talk on the radio. Nice post J#@kA%s

 

[J32driver]

That's why Jet Blue will fail. Too much focus on ego and image, too little focus on product.

Too little focus on the "product". Now THAT was the dumbest thing I've ever seen on this board.

Thats all JetBlue does is focus on the product. When you have International travelers that ride to JFK and then pick up their bags and head for JetBlue to finish the domestic portion of the trip, I'd say the product must be pretty darned good!