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I have got to jump in on this one.

I have said it before, I knew the real Dave when he was at CO. He along with the team that was put in place in EWR, he did a fantastic job on the turn around at CO '95-'99. As a competitor to B6, I can't root for you, but as a investor I can sure buy some stock low, and sell high.

I think B6 will be here in 10 years.
 
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Dave Siegel said:
Did you ever consider reading my background information? Like I said before, and I'll say it again. I DO NOT WORK FOR SOUTHWEST AIRLINES.

I don't think you read his post. He never said you work at SWA.
 
JetFumes said:
Dave, Your a moron! Now try to tell me just who will be around in ten years? Delta, Northwest, wait, wait, how about U.S. Airways. Seems to me a lot of people thought they would be gone a long time ago. Let me guess, you predicted they would still be around, right?


I also predicted Independence would wither on the vine as well. The leagacies have politics and a long history on their side, but not Jet Blue, just hype.
 
J3 Driver said:
Well I think that pretty much confirms that all airlines have their share of jerks. I am sure your fellow SW pilots were happy to see you retire.

banger,

This IMPLIES that I work at Southwest, which I don't. Are you all caught up now?
 
banger said:
I don't think you read his post. He never said you work at SWA.

I hope you listen to your First Officer better than that. Boy, you must be a real treat to fly with. I hope you watch movies on DVD and let your right-seat smurf do all the flying. I sure would sleep easier at night knowing that you're not actually steering.
 
Dave Siegel said:
I also predicted Independence would wither on the vine as well. The leagacies have politics and a long history on their side, but not Jet Blue, just hype.

Yep Pan Am, Eastern, TWA sure did have politics and history on their side. But your conclusion is a bit off.
 
Eagleflip said:
Dave Siegel:

Nostradamus: died, 18 July, 1566.

Which raises the obvious question. What would Nostrdamus be doing if he were alive today?

Scratching at the lid of his coffin...

(ching! rim shot) Thank you, thank you...I'll be here all morning...

What would Nostradamus be doing if he were alive today?

He'd probably kill himself if he was ever forced to listen to you trying to be funny, because you're not.


Note: If it doesn't say Moderator Input, it's just not funny, because I have no sense of humor.
 
COpilot said:
I have got to jump in on this one.

I have said it before, I knew the real Dave when he was at CO. He along with the team that was put in place in EWR, he did a fantastic job on the turn around at CO '95-'99. As a competitor to B6, I can't root for you, but as a investor I can sure buy some stock low, and sell high.

I think B6 will be here in 10 years.

I hate to jump in on this one too but ask USAIR guys what they think of Dave.

As far as B6 I have nothing against them most of their guys are great. And from what I've read our lower prices to match them to FL markets have increased demand. But I too believe they should be okay in the long run, but what do I know really
 
JB Bus Drvr said:
But you aren't me. Life is pretty good so far and I could tell the future, I'd be winning the next Powerball.

Counting on winning the powerball is really the only hope you have, but givin that you'll be able to buy ten years' worth of tickets, I like your odds. At least they're better that Jet Blue's odds.

JB Bus Drvr said:
Past performance is a prediction of future actions.

Sounds like something a compulsive....................would say.

(Edited because JB Bus Drvr is right, and I wouldn't want to set a bad example for kids).
 
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I guess you would know there Davey. Also, nice talk considering that some kids read this forum.

Class guy, you ain't.
 
Eagleflip said:
Dave Siegel:

Nostradamus: died, 18 July, 1566.

Which raises the obvious question. What would Nostrdamus be doing if he were alive today?

Scratching at the lid of his coffin...

(ching! rim shot) Thank you, thank you...I'll be here all morning...

I thought it was funny... It wasn't "cow bell" funny but for the Flipper... damn funny!:laugh:
 
Back to the post at hand...the 190 appears to be a plane of patience...push a button, wait for it to send a memo to Brazil for approval, then move on to the next task...although this seems to only be on the ground. I am constantly asked how I like the 190...and I respond 'once you get it to the runway, it's great!'. It is a great flying machine, and does practically everything for you...'operates in accordance with system logic'

As far as DaveS goes...unless you can provide 'constructive' criticism...get a life!!
 
JB Bus Drvr said:
I guess you would know there Davey. Also, nice talk considering that some kids read this forum.

Class guy, you ain't.

Now JB, in fairness to the fact that I edited my comments, I do expect that you'll do a better job of calling out all the foul language on this forum. If you're going to ridicule me for using the "M" word, then I expect you to also ridicule those who use $ @ & and other symbols to spell word$ on here that the moderators find offensive.

Don't be a hypocrite. Like Jack Tiberoius Burns says to Gaylord Fokker, I'll be watching you. Hopefully you'll stay in my "circle of trust".
 
Siegal has a point, extreme, but so is kool-aid drinking.

JetBlue IMO is in trouble for the near term.

According to your boss, you will lose enough in the 4Q05 to end up with a year end loss. This indicates you are now starting to lose 80 - 90 million per quarter. At that rate you could burn up a large chunk of your 466 million of liquid cash. Issuing more stock works for a while but your year end loss will probably reduce your market cap. You can always leverage assets, that worked really well at Indy.

Break even load factor is a real problem, it has been trending up for the last two years. LUV and AAI are in the 60's and 70's while JBLU is pushing 90%. You can't expect to fill the airplanes all the time when you are adding 3 aircraft per month.

The way you are utilizing the EMB 190 could be a real nasty wake up call (JFK-BOS). The TVs are less of an advantage on 1 - 2 hour flights, while any mechanical reliability problems will piss off those northeasterners. I imagine American, Continental, USair, and United will offer more reliable transport, frequency, double miles, international connections, codeshare, and similar prices initially. They certainly put Indy on the coals for 18 months.

Good luck JBLU, many of the guys I've flown with are there now.


I'm an exindy guy going to college until this bloodbath settles down.
 
Last I saw break even load factor here at JBLU is at 76%. Where 90% is coming from is beyond me; maybe for $80/barrel.
 
exphojump said:
Siegal has a point, extreme, but so is kool-aid drinking.

JetBlue IMO is in trouble for the near term.

According to your boss, you will lose enough in the 4Q05 to end up with a year end loss. This indicates you are now starting to lose 80 - 90 million per quarter. At that rate you could burn up a large chunk of your 466 million of liquid cash. Issuing more stock works for a while but your year end loss will probably reduce your market cap. You can always leverage assets, that worked really well at Indy.

Break even load factor is a real problem, it has been trending up for the last two years. LUV and AAI are in the 60's and 70's while JBLU is pushing 90%. You can't expect to fill the airplanes all the time when you are adding 3 aircraft per month.

The way you are utilizing the EMB 190 could be a real nasty wake up call (JFK-BOS). The TVs are less of an advantage on 1 - 2 hour flights, while any mechanical reliability problems will piss off those northeasterners. I imagine American, Continental, USair, and United will offer more reliable transport, frequency, double miles, international connections, codeshare, and similar prices initially. They certainly put Indy on the coals for 18 months.

Good luck JBLU, many of the guys I've flown with are there now.


I'm an exindy guy going to college until this bloodbath settles down.

The smurfs just refuse to accept reality. Excellent post. You are a worthy apprentice.
 
Dave Siegel said:
Buckle up, Smurf Boys, it's going to take more than just "adding more cowbell" and media hype to be one of the big dogs.

I don't think you quite understand how powerful adding cowbell can be.
 
Dave Siegel said:
It's "knowledge". It's not easy to see that when your management says that you are pulling back capacity to Florida, then, my friends, the writing is on the wall. Your fingers turn Blue due to lack of circulation, right before they fall off. Jet Blue's management type is like the Billionaire Boys Club, trying to sell an image versus really selling a product. Ego, and the desire to really screw your baby smurfs, led to the EMB acquisition, with substandard payscales to add to the pitiful operational performance that smart people like me said would happen.

As far as my source, it's Neeleman himself, bragging about the costruction of his new toy while pulling back capacity. Didn't I already say this? Oh, helicopter pilot, I guess you just hover along thinking that Neeleman really cares about you. If you're actually employed by Jet Blue, the good news is that the ship is only starting to show leaks, so there's time to get yourself ready for life after furlough.

If you're lucky, maybe you'll merge with Frontier, or Alaska (but I doubt Alaska would take a chance on you, as you're a risky investment, as you can see by your stock prices).

If I were you, I'd plan to be in a place where you can pay the bills without needing your smurf paycheck, because it most likely won't be there ten years from now. I know that must really stink to hear that, but I owe it to you to tell you the truth. Stop living a lie and start getting ready for life without Jet Blue.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger, as there are plenty of other non-smurfs out there that also see the writing on the wall.

Don't stress to bad, You can re-apply in six months!
 
You keep calling JetBlue guys smurfs as if you created some kind of witty and funny insult... Instead, you just sound retarded.
 
J32driver said:
Not reality... just YOUR reality.

The writing is on the wall. You just have to be able to read it. How is the stock price doing?
 
DIAMONDDD said:
I don't think you quite understand how powerful adding cowbell can be.

You may be right. If Jet Blue is actually around in 2016, it will be because their management team was 100% dedicated to adding more cowbell. Only I wonder if they share your wisdom.
 
J32driver said:
What an incredibly simple mind you must have. There is so much more to an airline and a business than its stock price.

My young apprentice does have a simple mind, and I think most shareholders do as well. The lower the stock price, the more weak and vulnerable people perceive your company to be. In the business world, perception often is reality.

For Blue Kool-Aid drinking smurfs, singing "Fa-la la la la la, la la la la la" with Papa Smurf wont help the stock price rebound any time soon.

Don't worry, Smurfs, J32driver has it under control. Sleep well, son.
 

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