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Friday January 27, 4:50 AM

JetBlue CEO cites hiccups in Embraer plane debut

NEW YORK, Jan 26 (Reuters) - JetBlue Airways Corp.'s chief executive on Thursday said the discount carrier had experienced problems with its new Embraer 100-seat jets which have led it to slow their introduction into service.
David Neeleman told analysts at a conference that the airline had set a too ambitious schedule for the debut of the Brazilian-made jet, whose problems have coincided with ongoing struggles at JetBlue with late flights.
"We have had some operational issues with the airplane," he said. The plane's introduction "certainly hasn't been up to what we thought we could do."
JetBlue shares were down 50 cents, or 3.7 percent, at $12.94 -- more than a one-month intraday low -- in afternoon trading on Nasdaq. The airline reports fourth-quarter earnings on Feb. 1.
Some analysts have warned that the addition of the smaller jet to JetBlue's existing fleet of Airbus A320s risked adding an unneeded layer of complexity to its operations.
Neeleman, JetBlue's founder, has argued that the jets will end up giving the airline greater flexibility to serve mid-sized markets that wouldn't fill its larger aircraft.
But he said the plane, which JetBlue began flying between Boston and New York in November, had reliability rates "a few percentage points less" than its Airbus planes in terms of glitches which delayed flights.
In addition, Embraer has been delivering the planes about two weeks behind schedule, meeting the terms of its contract, but lagging what Neeleman said was an "aggressive" schedule the airline set for putting them into service.
"We're playing a little bit of catch-up right now," he said, adding that employees' lack of familiarity with the jet and its need to get certified for low-visibility flying had also slowed progress.

MISSTEPS CITED

JetBlue reported a 63.6 percent on-time arrival performance for December, according to Aviation Daily. Neeleman blamed the problems partly on construction near its JFK International Airport hub.
Neeleman also said JetBlue was moving to boost its revenue performance, which he said had suffered thanks to competition from bankrupt Delta Air Lines Inc.'s low-cost Song unit and what he called JetBlue's own missteps.
"In the short term we have a few clouds to get through, some of them through our own doing," he said.
JetBlue will move its yield management and corporate finance departments, which had been based in Salt Lake City, Utah, and Darien, Connecticut, respectively, into its operational headquarters in Queens, New York, he said.
Song is due to be folded into Delta, though analysts are still unsure whether that will mean a reduction of its flights between New York and Florida, where it competes with JetBlue.
"We believe they have no choice but to cut capacity, which will certainly help us," Neeleman said.
Neeleman's cautious tone contrasted with a sunny outlook from low-cost carrier Southwest Airlines Co. .
"I am confident that we'll be able to stand up here and be smiling as much as Southwest because we have a tremendous product and tremendous people," Neeleman said. In an earlier presentation, Southwest CEO Gary Kelly reiterated the airline's target for 15 percent earnings growth and said he was hopeful the airline could maintain strong revenue performance for the first half.
 
In '97 we called the 145 the "180" because of the high rate of gate returns. I wonder if that is why they decided not to have one called the 180. Being a launch customer or near launch customer has a high price that gets overlooked to get airplanes cheap. It was our mechanics working with pilots that got us through the tail flutter, engine shutdowns etc. while the embraer engineers and mechanics were scratching their heads saying it shouldn't do that. I wouldn't want to be introducing a new type to an airline depending on contract mx, warranty mx and engineer types from Brazil.
 
I wonder if Boeing has these problems when they put a new airplane into service. Was the 777’s first year plagued with problems too?

I fly the 170 for S5 and I can reiterate the problems with the airframe. The problems are computer related. Seems to happen particularly when it is cold. Like most computers, the problem goes away (most of the time) if you turn off the entire airplane and turn it back on. The airplane then needs to go through a whole bunch of built-in-tests. If anything disturbs the airplane while it is going through these tests, it does not like it and you will not a “no dispatch” EICAS message.
 
B6 is in the process of adding more "Cowbell" into the -190
 
SlapShot said:
I wonder if Boeing has these problems when they put a new airplane into service. Was the 777’s first year plagued with problems too?

I fly the 170 for S5 and I can reiterate the problems with the airframe. The problems are computer related. Seems to happen particularly when it is cold. Like most computers, the problem goes away (most of the time) if you turn off the entire airplane and turn it back on. The airplane then needs to go through a whole bunch of built-in-tests. If anything disturbs the airplane while it is going through these tests, it does not like it and you will not a “no dispatch” EICAS message.

I remember at US Airways, we couldn't get an A320 off the gate at first. This airplane had been in service for many years, but was new to us so there were problems. Our mechanics were used to fixing things with a rubber mallet, but that no longer worked on the bus.

Just another item added to our list of growing pains, along with scheduling that can't keep up with the growth, and more planes than we have gates.

All of these are short term, and what wonderful problems they are to have, anyway.

From my Business 101 class in college, "if any company is not experiencing some growth issues or making some mistakes, they aren't pushing hard enough"

Just my thoughts,

DW
 
Same with the 717 at TWA. After 6 months, it got to be really reliable.TC
 
Ex737Driver said:
JetBlue CEO cites hiccups in Embraer plane debut

David Neeleman told analysts at a conference that the airline had set a too ambitious schedule for the debut of the Brazilian-made jet, whose problems have coincided with ongoing struggles at JetBlue with late flights.


"We're playing a little bit of catch-up right now," he said, adding that employees' lack of familiarity with the jet and its need to get certified for low-visibility flying had also slowed progress.

MISSTEPS CITED

"We believe they have no choice but to cut capacity, which will certainly help us," Neeleman said.


Neeleman's cautious tone contrasted with a sunny outlook from low-cost carrier Southwest Airlines Co. .
"I am confident that we'll be able to stand up here and be smiling as much as Southwest because we have a tremendous product and tremendous people," Neeleman said.


Neeleman is supposed to be feeding the smurf punch to the media and to his employees so that they all believe the hype, because that's all the Blue Beards are briniging to the table, hype. What's completely ridiculous is that the media will buy all this blue crap that Neeleman shovels out, then report about how tasty it was. I can't believe how stupid people are, and I had to come out of retirement to educate those of you who actually think these clowns have any chance of being around for the long haul.

Oh, Papa Smurf says that cutting capacity to Florida will "certainly help us". What kind of blue ghanja is smoking? I've heard this before, usually with carriers that are about to have massive amounts of financial turmoil.

Buckle up, Smurf Boys, it's going to take more than just "adding more cowbell" and media hype to be one of the big dogs.

Long Live Southwest, the Greatest Airline on Earth!
 
Dave Siegel said:
Neeleman is supposed to be feeding the smurf punch to the media and to his employees so that they all believe the hype, because that's all the Blue Beards are briniging to the table, hype. What's completely ridiculous is that the media will buy all this blue crap that Neeleman shovels out, then report about how tasty it was. I can't believe how stupid people are, and I had to come out of retirement to educate those of you who actually think these clowns have any chance of being around for the long haul.

Oh, Papa Smurf says that cutting capacity to Florida will "certainly help us". What kind of blue ghanja is smoking? I've heard this before, usually with carriers that are about to have massive amounts of financial turmoil.

Buckle up, Smurf Boys, it's going to take more than just "adding more cowbell" and media hype to be one of the big dogs.

Long Live Southwest, the Greatest Airline on Earth!

Well I think that pretty much confirms that all airlines have their share of jerks. I am sure your fellow SW pilots were happy to see you retire.
 
J3 Driver said:
Well I think that pretty much confirms that all airlines have their share of jerks. I am sure your fellow SW pilots were happy to see you retire.

Did you ever consider reading my background information? Like I said before, and I'll say it again. I DO NOT WORK FOR SOUTHWEST AIRLINES.

I use my superior discernment and rational thinking to draw conclusions about airlines based on the quality of their employees and their management.

Face it, Southwest is a SUPERIOR airline to Jet Blue. They have a Superior Management team there in DAL, and they will always be better than Jet Blue.

That is just a fact, son. Just because I'm brilliant, doesn't mean that I work for Southwest Airlines. I'm one of their biggest supporters, and I have embraced my role as unofficial spokesman for the airline. Look at my disclaimer underneath my avatar. I do not work for Southwest nor should any of my comments be taken as if I speak for their wonderful employee group.

You people who think that Jet Blue will be in business ten years from now are living in a dream world, and you need to come back to reality.
 
I think the 777 had some pressurization problems at first.And then there's the DoJet.....
 
Dave Siegel said:
Did you ever consider reading my background information? Like I said before, and I'll say it again. I DO NOT WORK FOR SOUTHWEST AIRLINES.

I use my superior discernment and rational thinking to draw conclusions about airlines based on the quality of their employees and their management.

Face it, Southwest is a SUPERIOR airline to Jet Blue. They have a Superior Management team there in DAL, and they will always be better than Jet Blue.

That is just a fact, son. Just because I'm brilliant, doesn't mean that I work for Southwest Airlines. I'm one of their biggest supporters, and I have embraced my role as unofficial spokesman for the airline. Look at my disclaimer underneath my avatar. I do not work for Southwest nor should any of my comments be taken as if I speak for their wonderful employee group.

You people who think that Jet Blue will be in business ten years from now are living in a dream world, and you need to come back to reality.



Go ahead Dave....enlighten all of us with your wonderful insight from your crystal ball. Tell us why we won't be around ten years from now.
 
LET THE BASHING BEGIN ! Oh yeah Siegel, show us you're inferior intellect. We are waiting with bated breath to partake of your skill, background and knoweledge in discussing something you know nothing about. Please tell us how bad we are so we all can go into our corners and pity our plight. You too can join the ranks of UC, 32, CM, and others with the only goal of slamming something you are obviously ignorant of. By your background, you don't work for SW, who BTW are really good folks to work with, but you don't work for anybody else either.

Constructive is Ok, destructive is not worthy for these pages.
 
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JB Bus Drvr said:
LET THE BASHING BEGIN ! Oh yeah Siegel, show us you're inferior intellect. We are waiting with baited breath to partake of your skill, background and knoweledge in discussing something you know nothing about. Please tell us how bad we are so we all can go into our corners and pity our plight. You too can join the ranks of UC, 32, CM, and others with the only goal of slamming something you are obviously ignorant of. By your background, you don't work for SW, who BTW are really good folks to work with, but you don't work for anybody else either.

Constructive is Ok, destructive is not worthy for these pages.

Another angry post from the Bluebird Bus Driver. Relax Bigbird!!
 
JB Bus Drvr said:
LET THE BASHING BEGIN ! Oh yeah Siegel, show us you're inferior intellect. We are waiting with bated breath to partake of your skill, background and knoweledge in discussing something you know nothing about. Please tell us how bad we are so we all can go into our corners and pity our plight. You too can join the ranks of UC, 32, CM, and others with the only goal of slamming something you are obviously ignorant of. By your background, you don't work for SW, who BTW are really good folks to work with, but you don't work for anybody else either.

Constructive is Ok, destructive is not worthy for these pages.

It's "knowledge". It's not easy to see that when your management says that you are pulling back capacity to Florida, then, my friends, the writing is on the wall. Your fingers turn Blue due to lack of circulation, right before they fall off. Jet Blue's management type is like the Billionaire Boys Club, trying to sell an image versus really selling a product. Ego, and the desire to really screw your baby smurfs, led to the EMB acquisition, with substandard payscales to add to the pitiful operational performance that smart people like me said would happen.

As far as my source, it's Neeleman himself, bragging about the costruction of his new toy while pulling back capacity. Didn't I already say this? Oh, helicopter pilot, I guess you just hover along thinking that Neeleman really cares about you. If you're actually employed by Jet Blue, the good news is that the ship is only starting to show leaks, so there's time to get yourself ready for life after furlough.

If you're lucky, maybe you'll merge with Frontier, or Alaska (but I doubt Alaska would take a chance on you, as you're a risky investment, as you can see by your stock prices).

If I were you, I'd plan to be in a place where you can pay the bills without needing your smurf paycheck, because it most likely won't be there ten years from now. I know that must really stink to hear that, but I owe it to you to tell you the truth. Stop living a lie and start getting ready for life without Jet Blue.

Hey, don't shoot the messenger, as there are plenty of other non-smurfs out there that also see the writing on the wall.
 
Dave Siegel said:
Did you ever consider reading my background information? Like I said before, and I'll say it again. I DO NOT WORK FOR SOUTHWEST AIRLINES.

I use my superior discernment and rational thinking to draw conclusions about airlines based on the quality of their employees and their management.

Face it, Southwest is a SUPERIOR airline to Jet Blue. They have a Superior Management team there in DAL, and they will always be better than Jet Blue.

That is just a fact, son. Just because I'm brilliant, doesn't mean that I work for Southwest Airlines. I'm one of their biggest supporters, and I have embraced my role as unofficial spokesman for the airline. Look at my disclaimer underneath my avatar. I do not work for Southwest nor should any of my comments be taken as if I speak for their wonderful employee group.

You people who think that Jet Blue will be in business ten years from now are living in a dream world, and you need to come back to reality.

Siegel...

First of all...you are mere lurker with an opinion that is without foundation, experience or value. In other words your opinion is worth little more than the gas that escapes from internal organs inside a public washroom.

I can guarantee you one thing...PRODUCT VS. PRODUCT? jetblue wins EVERYDAY! no comparison!
 
Dave Siegel said:
It's "knowledge". It's not easy to see that when your management says that you are pulling back capacity to Florida, then, my friends, the writing is on the wall.

Why don't you go back and read before you provide us with you knowledge Dave. JetBlue is NOT cutting capacity, the reference was to Song.
 
If Jetblue were in so much trouble why is their market cap 2.0 B?
 
To my esteemed peers at B6:

Click User CP tab
Click on Buddy/Ignore List
Type in Dave Siegel under Ignore List
Enter

Viola! All better! Don't waste you're time with some profoundly idiotic moron, who's obviously just baiting you guys with utter garbage. What's that Dave? I cant hear you!

Once y'all work through the sartup problems with the 190, you'll find it to be a bulletproof plane. Embraers historically have had teething problems. A lot of it is software issues and MX learning curve. I've only had a single gate return in over 1300 hours of ERJ time. Usually there's a combo of C/B's that will clear just about any EICAS message. The airplane itself is very relieable.
 
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Dave Siegel said:
If I were you, I'd plan to be in a place where you can pay the bills without needing your smurf paycheck, because it most likely won't be there ten years from now. I know that must really stink to hear that, but I owe it to you to tell you the truth. Stop living a lie and start getting ready for life without Jet Blue.

But you aren't me. Life is pretty good so far and I could tell the future, I'd be winning the next Powerball. But I can't and neither can you. The one thing for sure is that our Mgmt. has done us right so far, are willing to admit when they screw up (which isn't all that often) and try to make things right if they do. How many major companies are doing that right now. Let's see, Ford says they're making things right by selling overpriced cars and cutting 30,000 employees. Meanwhile, you don't see Bill Ford say he screwed up. It all the union's fault. Or the United Execs. who in their benevolent actions to bring the company out of BK, are only taking 8% ownership in the company only to sell off at thier first opportunity. Meanwhile, guys are still on furlough and their pilots are still taking paycuts.

Past performance is a prediction of future actions. Our past has been pretty good.

Meanwhile your musings have been pretty lousy.

Not a blue juice drinker, just think you should research more instead of the media trick of sound bites.
 
bluejuice787 said:
To my esteemed peers at B6:

Click User CP tab
Click on Update Buddy/Ignore List
Type in LJDRVR under Ignore List
Enter

Viola! All better! Don't waste you're time with some profoundly idiotic moron, who's obviously terrified that Dave Siegel might be right. What's that Dave? I can't wait to be acquired by Frontier as I too believe it's our only hope!

Don't worry about LJDRVR, welfare was designed to help people like him. Yes, I admit that I'm not perfect, but in ten years, I'll be looking like Nostradamus.
 
SlapShot said:
Seems to happen particularly when it is cold. Like most computers, the problem goes away (most of the time) if you turn off the entire airplane and turn it back on.

Delightfully reminiscent of a Brasilia although the E-120 is not as complex.
 
I can guarantee you one thing...PRODUCT VS. PRODUCT? jetblue wins EVERYDAY! no comparison!


Dear Wndshr,

It's not the product, it's the price!!!!! SWA doesn't have the seat back tv's or the reserved seating but they do have lots of hedged fuel. They can take that cheap gas and take on whoever they want and crush them......
 
Dave Siegel:
Yes, I admit that I'm not perfect, but in ten years, I'll be looking like Nostradamus

Nostradamus: died, 18 July, 1566.

Which raises the obvious question. What would Nostrdamus be doing if he were alive today?

Scratching at the lid of his coffin...

(ching! rim shot) Thank you, thank you...I'll be here all morning...
 
Dave, Your a moron! Now try to tell me just who will be around in ten years? Delta, Northwest, wait, wait, how about U.S. Airways. Seems to me a lot of people thought they would be gone a long time ago. Let me guess, you predicted they would still be around, right?
 

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