"Janet Airlines"

[Pugh]

Ok, curiosity has got the best of me. Who flies the 737s for the government out of LAS? I know they transport workers to Groom Lake and such but are the pilots civilians, military, or little grey aliens? Seems like it'd be a cool job.

 

[Quimby]

Eg&g.

 

[Lead Sled]

Seems like it'd be a cool job.

No, no it does not. It is the ultimate in short-haul repetitve (read: boring) flying. Once the novelity of it wore off (3 to 5 days) where would you be?
'Sled

 

[EagleRJ]

"Janet 123, Mystic Tower- cleared to land number two, following a heavy.......following a.......following an unspecified air vehicle. Caution wake turbulence!"

That part of it might be cool, not that you could share what you saw with anyone else!

 

[User546]

Is EG&G a private contractor to the government, or is it ran by the military or federal government directly?

Anyone have any idea how many planes and pilots they have?

 

[psysicx]

At least your home every night.

 

[Pugh]

Is EG&G a private contractor to the government, or is it ran by the military or federal government directly?

Anyone have any idea how many planes and pilots they have?

EG&G is a private contractor. They do lots of different stuff for the government. I have no idea how many planes or pilots they have.

 

[TR4A]

Just
Another
Non
Existent
Transport

EG&G also has the contract to fly the T-43's (B737-200) Navigator Trainers at Randolph AFB TX. Call Sign: Gator

 

[Snoopy58]

Just Another E.T.

 

[garf12]

what exactly goes on at groom lake? And who are these workers that need to be flown out there every day?

 

[Lead Sled]

what exactly goes on at groom lake? And who are these workers that need to be flown out there every day?

Groom Lake? Why you must be mistaken. There's no such place as Groom Lake.

 

[Pugh]

what exactly goes on at groom lake? And who are these workers that need to be flown out there every day?

Aircraft testing I believe. Or alien technology research. Who knows.

Kelly Johnson and his Skunkworks team at Lockheed chose the site to test the U-2 spyplane. They chose Groom Lake because of the dry lakebed that is suitable for emergency landings.

I don't know what the people who commute on Janet do. Could be engineers, security, etc.

 

[Immelman]

Speaking of groom lake anyone ever seen it? Once I was pax on an AA flight SJC/DFW and it was a very clear day. Most traffic uses that single airway north of groom many miles.. but on this day you could barely make it out. THe captain even said somehting like "if you look out on the right side you'll see something very interesting, that doesn't exist"... sure enough you could make our buildings.

I have also heard a little about what is there... buildings that go for many stories underground rather than over, high-end flight testing, etc...but I did not hear any juicy stuff. My perception is that is where our new aerospace technology is developed and we'll see it around in 20-30 years if we're lucky.. green men? I don't know about that.

 

[Kawasumi_Kichou]

A CAP friend worked up there for a while as a computer programmer. Rode on Janet everyday. A reserve O-4 acquaintance flew the Janet jets for EG&G when he wasn't acting as one of our CAP-USAF liason officers.

Every now and then you see want ads in the local papers looking for flight attendants to work those flights.

Yeah you can see it if you're high enough and know just where to look, off to the east of the airway between BTY and OAL.

 

[MJG]

what exactly goes on at groom lake?

Well we'd all like to know that. My guess is that they test a lot of secret technologies. Some may make their way into the inventory and some probably turn out to be duds.

It still blows my mind to think that back in the 80's when I was watching Red Dawn every couple of days convinced that the Russians were coming to invade, that we had a "stealth" fighter that was in the inventory ready to go if need be.

Makes me wonder what's in the inventory these days that's ready to go if need be.

 

[avbug]

I've been all over that area, many times, on medical flights, mostly on overflights, in the past, at night and during daylight.

There's nothing there to see. Don't believe everything you read in National Enquirer.

 

[User546]

I've been all over that area, many times, on medical flights, mostly on overflights, in the past, at night and during daylight.

There's nothing there to see. Don't believe everything you read in National Enquirer.

Your just not looking in the "right place"

 

[Daveman]

PWI..

 

[avbug]

The most intriguing thing about that area to me is the increadible historical significance of the developments that have taken place there over the years. Some of our best known and most influential figures in the history of aviation have been central to what has taken place out there, and no doubt many of the aspects of our future security are still tied to that place.

If only those hills could talk...

 

[TrafficInSight]

That and the apparent horrid acts of pollution that are alleged to have gone on there, someday we'll have to clean it all up.

 

[User546]

Since you edited your original post, I'll edit this! -User997

Good thing you didn't say the D-WORD or you could've gotten censored!

 

[avbug]

That and the apparent horrid acts of pollution that are alleged to have gone on there, someday we'll have to clean it all up.

"We" are never going in there, so that's not an issue. Do you really think a few buried drums of Skydrol and a few covered aircraft and some dumped fuel in the middle of the Nevada desert is apparently all that horrid? You don't suppose the thirty or so craters just south of there where strategic nuclear weapons and devices were detonated, where the desert is melted to glass and still lethally radioactively hot, might be a bigger consideration? Or the large nuclear waste repository that's still being pushed in the same area?

You're worried about cleaning up a little poloution in the middle of the Tonophah Test Range, in a secure facility, in a place that has no ground water table, in the center of the high desert? That should be the least of your worries, and seeing as you'll never see the inside of that place in your lifetime or the next or the next...I wouldn't get too worked up about it.

 

[TrafficInSight]

"We" are never going in there, so that's not an issue. Do you really think a few buried drums of Skydrol and a few covered aircraft and some dumped fuel in the middle of the Nevada desert is apparently all that horrid? You don't suppose the thirty or so craters just south of there where strategic nuclear weapons and devices were detonated, where the desert is melted to glass and still lethally radioactively hot, might be a bigger consideration? Or the large nuclear waste repository that's still being pushed in the same area?

You're worried about cleaning up a little poloution in the middle of the Tonophah Test Range, in a secure facility, in a place that has no ground water table, in the center of the high desert? That should be the least of your worries, and seeing as you'll never see the inside of that place in your lifetime or the next or the next...I wouldn't get too worked up about it.

If I believed all that was in there was a "few buried drums of skydrol" then I wouldn't be worried about it.

You saying that I'm worried about that as opposed to nuclear waste in the same area is a fallacy, I never said such a thing and it's something that I also feel strongly about. Just because I'll never see it in my lifetime doesn't mean that we wont feel the effects of things that went on there. I don't think we'll run out of oil in my lifetime either but I think it's time we start looking for alternatives.

Yes, I know that some historic stuff went on there and I don't want to diminish that but for a long time the military was allowed to ignore the standards for pollution control that civilian companies were required to follow. Rosamond California, the small town outside the gates of Edwards at one time had the highest cancer rate of any town in California... construction projects there would come up with buried and leaking drums of hazardous waste... not just a few drums of Skydrol either. If they buried it in the desert in California do you really think they loaded it all into trucks and shipped it out of a highly secret installation in Nevada? doubt it.

 

[avbug]

Aah, the Republik of Kalifornia, land where the EPA is worshipped and where man and womankind sincerely believe they are the trend setters and saviors of a dying country...and who move out in droves into the surrounding states to spread their poison and change the communities...always trying to make everybody like California...and never understanding why everybody always says, "go back home."

Do you know that in Wyoming years ago we talked about issuing hunting tags not just for deer, antelope, and elk, but for Kalifornians, too? Problem was, we finally settled on classifying them as pests and predators, and they didn't need tags. No limit, like prarie dogs or coyotes.

Lots of settlements around Tonopah Test Range, huh?

You're not by chance the 2005 EPA Superfund Poster Child, are you? Or one of those guys that chains himself to trees so they won't be cut down?

I can see your concern. You might want to build a summer home out there one day. Next to the glowing desert and melted glass. I wish you well.

 

[Immelman]

Jesus avbug, we only have one of these planets to destroy. Why not just press the big red button on the nukes and blow it all to smitherines to make it a quick process?

Yes, I live in California too (not a native, though and I like my clean ocean water to surf in, or eat fish from (but not swordfish or Tuna.. too much mercury!). I'll take clean drinking water, too... although it seems that is getting harder to come by when they find dangerous amounts of perclorate in mother's milk, harming babies... yes that's right, rocket fuel! I have traveled all over the place and thank the man upstairs that I have a clean place to come back to.... riding around the dirty, diesel-soot stained streets of Taipei for the first time I realized that.

Technoogical development does have its costs but it can be done responsibly. The problem is that we're too lazy to take on the responsibility. Burying drums is not responsible! If man creates some awful dangerous substance, I believe man should be obliged to create a process to make it safe. I don't think that's too much to ask... oh, it will raise the taxes a bit by giving employment to folks to research environmental issues alongside those who research new technology -- is that so bad??? I know, I am too much of an idealist.

Keep creating the green-house gasses dude, at least I'll be riding my bike to get around.

.....Know what, I wouldn't mind succession!

 

[TrafficInSight]

Aah, the Republik of Kalifornia, land where the EPA is worshipped and where man and womankind sincerely believe they are the trend setters and saviors of a dying country...and who move out in droves into the surrounding states to spread their poison and change the communities...always trying to make everybody like California...and never understanding why everybody always says, "go back home."

Do you know that in Wyoming years ago we talked about issuing hunting tags not just for deer, antelope, and elk, but for Kalifornians, too? Problem was, we finally settled on classifying them as pests and predators, and they didn't need tags. No limit, like prarie dogs or coyotes.

Lots of settlements around Tonopah Test Range, huh?

You're not by chance the 2005 EPA Superfund Poster Child, are you? Or one of those guys that chains himself to trees so they won't be cut down?

I can see your concern. You might want to build a summer home out there one day. Next to the glowing desert and melted glass. I wish you well.

I really don't understand the personal attack as I didn't accuse you of dumping anything. Sorry but I can't respect your position on this one either.

 

[Publishers]

Is that why all the Janet pilots glow in the dark??

 

[GVFlyer]

That and the apparent horrid acts of pollution that are alleged to have gone on there, someday we'll have to clean it all up.

I think your logic train has been derailed...

How do you draw a firm conclusion ("we'll have to clean...up") from a hypothetical ("alleged to have gone on")?

GV

 

[avbug]

Keep creating the green-house gasses dude, at least I'll be riding my bike to get around.

.....Know what, I wouldn't mind succession!

Spoken like a true traitor to the Union, and not surprisingly, like a true Kalifornian Demokrat.

You're a pilot, are you not? Are you not producing those same greenhouse gasses? You are using electricity to type on your computer, are you not? Don't be too smug and selfrighteous. Sit back and eat your organic range fed toast. Send your dollars to green peace and applaud PITA. Be the armchair savior to mankind, if you will, but you probably wear synthetic clothing, the metal of your bicycle was mined in the sweat of men working with petroleum and cyanide, coal is burned to make your electricity, and like it or not, you wouldn't have the volume of food to eat in your clean little world without agricultural chemicals.

Chances are that without the technological developments that took place in the Nevada desert, you wouldn't have a country, either. While you're sitting in your Kalifornia home, smug and oh-so-righteously sipping your purified yuppie water, the world has been at war against you, and the technology that was developed in that desert has been providing you the freedom to be so pious and proper.

Stroll over to Nevada and strut your poison there, see how many folks tell you to leave the state before they bury you with the drums of skydrol and old oil. See how welcome you are there. Perhaps succession is the course for you...withdraw into your little yuppie world while the nation that has supported and kept you goes no doing what it has always done...now without you. Why not just turn in your citizenship now? If you don't want it, hundreds of thousands of others are desperate for the chance.

 

[stratocoaster]

avbug,

Congratulations on how much energy you put into your vitriol. Knee-jerk reactionism aside, you have a clearly defined argument without as much as a hint of intellectualism behind it. Bravo. All of us can clearly see you haven't dared waste your higher education on considering things like ecology, the bible, or personal responsibility vis a vis our home planet. If we're lucky, you'll procreate.