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J.P. Morgan Invetment Report - April 21, 2008

U.S. Airlines : United-US Airways: 3rd Time's The Charm?

Reports that United & US Airways continue to discuss a potential merger did not generate a single investor inquiry for us. Meanwhile, the furious speculation surrounding Continental-United continues. While we are steadfast in our view that the value of consolidation is best measured by the savings from flying less, we actually see considerable merit to a United-US Airways combination, including the removal of uncertainty as to whether United’s team would cede the level of control we believe Continental would insist upon.

Pilot Perspective – DAL had to purchase its pilot waiver in order to proceed, through a combination of wage and equity. CAL & UAUA have disparate wage structures with no existing code-share flexibility, suggesting requisite permissions may prove expensive. But UAUA & LCC contracts require no such waivers, and wages are already closely aligned. We envision no wage bump or equity, though longer-term labor cost advantages are unsustainable.

Fleet Perspective – DAL-NWA have disparate fleets, with similar Airbus/Boeing conflicts at CAL-UAUA. But save for 9 A330s, LCC doesn’t fly a single type UAUA doesn't (though engines are not perfectly aligned).

Capacity Perspective – LCC is beholden to a minimum fleet size of 322, about 20 fewer than today. But we estimate UAUA could shrink close to 15% (independent of M&A) before hitting EBIT-adjusted flying minimums. And both managements have proven aggressive when it comes to cuts, whereas Continental has been a laggard in this regard.

Alliance Perspective – UAUA-LCC doesn't rock the alliance boat. And we continue to cling to the unpopular belief that continued SkyTeam allegiance could prove a source of incremental liquidity for Continental.

Regulatory Perspective – Concentration at DCA could prove problematic. But our Principle of Consolidation Number Eight has long been the involvement of AirTran or JetBlue in hopes of currying regulatory favor and perhaps contributing capital.

Third Time’s The Charm? United was interested in America West in 1998, US Air in 2000. Today, both are available under one roof.

Finally, What’s Best for United? While we’ve criticized certain United policies in the past (its dividend, for example), there’s no doubt in our minds that United prioritizes owners over its other constituents to a greater degree than most in the industry. And this is how it should be, in our view. Rather than structure a deal that potentially affords disproportionate benefit for CAL shareholders, United management may instead place greater emphasis on an LCC transaction, given its highly depressed share price.
 
Good!! Let them both shut down.... Best for the indstry.
 
Good!! Let them both shut down.... Best for the indstry.
M&A....frought with endless internal squabbles.....where the new entity and existing carriers will never be anything more than marginally profitable.

The Feds are going to be faced with some serious decisions shortly. UAL is on the front burner, and will need serious help. Other Legacy's not far behind. What to do? Let them merge with another carrier where there will be enough discord to bring them both down and keep industry profits marginal, or let one fail and see all ships rise through organic financial and strategic growth.

The domestic airline business needs serious profits to survive. Politicians need to understand the days of cheap air travel are over. Domestic capacity needs to shrink by 25% in the next 12 months, or we are going to continue to tread water until all carriers will need either a Federal bailout or Foreign intervention.

Wall St wants the mergers, but do they care about where these carriers are in 12 to 18 months?

:pimp:




 
reregulation may be on the way

If by regulation you mean passing the buck to someone else by gutting yet another industry of any trace of national sovereignty, then I agree. No one on either side of the isle cares about anything aviation related other than cheap fares for their constituents. If the system is imploding and foreigners make glittering promises of making it all better with ownership and cabotage, congress will acquiesce. And yes, that includes VA and more new start ups.
 
So will this be good or bad for labor?

PHXFLYR

Bad.

Look at the maritime industry. See any American Maritime Officers commanding ships outside of US boarders?

The foreign investors will put non US Pilots on the lucrative WB routes and us Americans will be left flying NB domestic. We will have some WB for transcon to protect CRAF, that the US gov't might have to subsidize.


It is a real shame that our gov't doesn't care about us Air Line Pilots.. and that in order to find decent work we have to go overseas. Do you think you are equal in another country? Anti discrimination laws in Asia and the Middle East? Unions are illegal in many countries...

What does that say when your own country doesn't care if US citizens fly high performance jets.

US Airlines used to be an American Icon of Pride. Now they are just a dirty whore for CEO's to screw and dump.


You get the gov't you vote for.
 
Bad.

Look at the maritime industry. See any American Maritime Officers commanding ships outside of US boarders?

The foreign investors will put non US Pilots on the lucrative WB routes and us Americans will be left flying NB domestic. We will have some WB for transcon to protect CRAF, that the US gov't might have to subsidize.


It is a real shame that our gov't doesn't care about us Air Line Pilots..
Actually, let's hope the Feds learned some lessons. Commandeering a/c will be difficult unless the Feds put some caveats to allow them to do just that. That should include a mandatory rule that the planes and airline remain domiciled in the US, and flown by US pilots.

:pimp:​
 
Actually, foreign ownership is more likely. The government will lift the foreign ownership rules and let the foreign carriers prop us all up.

Unlikely with Dem majorities in the House and Senate. Some limited form of regulation that allows for price fixing combined with bailouts is far more likely.
 
Actually, let's hope the Feds learned some lessons. Commandeering a/c will be difficult unless the Feds put some caveats to allow them to do just that. That should include a mandatory rule that the planes and airline remain domiciled in the US, and flown by US pilots.


:pimp:​


With foreign investment comes cabatoge. A WB from the EU lands in NY gets new pax and flies to LA, then back to NY then to the EU. All by EU pilots.

A mandatory rule?

Sure... all NB domiciled in the US are flown by US pilots... so a handful of us get the crappy domestic jobs...

But that doesn't stop the cabatoge of WB.

How about a mega hub just over the boarder in MEX? Lots of NB flying into the US from there. A mex crew flying for a "US" airline does a four day trip that starts in MEX then hits CONUS until the last leg home...

"Welcome aboard Amereekan, this is your Capitan, Pedro."


A vote for McCain will help it become reality...
 
Amazing how many people will vote for McCain.

He is as Anti-labor as it gets, yet airline pilots will trip over themselves to vote for him.

Again, it will be about the three G's and not the really important issues.

Nothing like voting against your own self interests.
 
ha the 3 Gs. I'd never heard that before but its easy to figure out...sums up the mindset pretty effectively! I'm going to have to start using it.
 
People have other reasons for voting. Labor is just one issue of many.

The other issues don't mean much when you can't afford to put a roof over your head and feed your kids.
 
Be sure to place your votes based on guns, abortion, and religion again :angryfire (none of which will change regardless of who is elected).



PIPE
 
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Again, it will be about the three G's and not the really important issues.

Nothing like voting against your own self interests.


Its all about perspective as to what's important. There are plenty of jobs I can do that will put a roof over my head. Money is not the "G" I worship. Fancy houses and cars and toys are not the "G"'s that are important to me.

"Self" interest is not how I vote either.

Its funny how union members and different ALPA MEC's are supposed to be unified and not be "self" interested. But then when it comes to who sets the direction of our country, that's different.
 
Back to the thread topic...

J.P. Morgan Investment Report - April 21, 2008
... we actually see considerable merit to a United-US Airways combination....

They see considerable fees in a merger. Whether or not it benefits stockholders, employees, or passengers is another question.
 
UAL/LCC aint gonna happen. Insider talk at UAL WHQ is UAL/CAL
 
UAL/LCC aint gonna happen. Insider talk at UAL WHQ is UAL/CAL

Sonny, I think you're right. If they want the 'size' and reach to compete with the likes of a DL/NW, then UAL/CAL makes more sense. I think that LCC and UAL were talking just to cover all of their options; just as recently, everybody seemed to have some discussions with everyone else.

Besides, the UA/USAir did not fly in 2000-01; because of the concentration in the IAD/DCA area. And, NO management in their right mind would give up what US has in DCA, as they would most certainly be 'forced' to do this time, as last. US Air controls something like 50-55% of all the flights out of Reagan, and from what I hear, it is like the second highest 'yielding' station on their system. Not something any carrier wants to give up, and divide up among their competition.

For what its worth.

PD
 
CAL Continental Air profiled in Inside Wall Street section of Business Week (17.68 )

Business Week reports now that Northwest and Delta airlines have agreed to merge, expect more deals to take off. "In 30 days it is likely Continental Airlines (CAL) will either acquire or merge with UAL (UAUA)," says Vincent Carrino, president of sBrookhaven Capital Management, which has accumulated shares of both. The surging price of oil has wreaked havoc on the airlines' earnings and sunk their stock. Carrino says the big impetus for consolidation is to let the airlines slash capacity (number of flights and seats) by 10% and boost fares to cope with the rising price of oil, which hit $119 a barrel on Apr. 22. Carrino predicts UAL will be the surviving company, with Continental's management taking charge. Both airlines have a solid foothold overseas, especially in Asia,




Sounds like UAL mngt is "gone!" Am I dreaming???
 
You are scum. There is no need in taking pleasure of seeing thousands of people out of a job.

agreed..


on the UAL/USAir front... I don't understand why not UAL/CAL?
 

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