It's one list and one contract for Pinna-col-aba

[Kaman]

We don't have leverage. We've never had, and never will. Too many pu$$ies who fly on vacations, pick up open time at 200%, and work double-hard to ensure on time departures and arrivals.

I agree with almost all of that statement until the bit about the "working double-hard to ensure on-time arrivals/departures. I think that you should read over the ALPA code of ethics again...I am not trying to sound high and mighty, but that kind of attitude is not only unprofessional. It is also downright offensive if not borderline unsafe.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Something interesting to point out---at a very recent newhire class at DL, the newhires supposedly heard something interesting, like "Delta would like to bring back some of the 76 seat RJs back into mainline." Why would they say that? Could it be the new law recently signed that states the legacy airlines that use Regionals as their feed could be found liable for a crash at that Regional? (CAL and Colgan? Colgan is trying to dump the name and get on Mesaba's certificate as fast as possible) Sure, that could be a reason, and maybe the legacies just don't trust the training at some of the Regionals, which could cost them BIG bucks if there is a crash again. When asked how DL could take back some 76 seaters, the people replied "We own some of those planes." It would be a good start, and Dalpa already has the pay rates in writing.

I think DL owns the majority of them don't they? All of Comair's, Mesaba, and Compass' for sure. That is quite a few planes.

That would be good news for all. Granted near term I would get canned from Comair, but would open up much better potential jobs in the future

 

[belliott]

Then why were we being told you guys are getting basically the equivalent of XJ rates/contract?

I don't know why but my paychecks still suck... and there has been zero word of us getting a pay increase (as if they would willing give us one)... when all of this is sorted out I want a XJ+ contract... no sense in suffering without any reward for all at the end of it.

 

[NotTooBad]

Oh we get it. We just see the reality while you live in fantasy land. Pilots at the majors keep going for those short term contract gains while giving up their livelihoods in scope. Why would I want to go to a major when I know the senior guys that run ALPA will just sell my job back to the regionals to line their own pockets?

Can you fill me in on when recently has a major airline given up scope other than in a bankruptcy?

 

[Raskal]

I don't know why but my paychecks still suck... and there has been zero word of us getting a pay increase (as if they would willing give us one)... when all of this is sorted out I want a XJ+ contract... no sense in suffering without any reward for all at the end of it.

Don't be so quick to use XJ as the goal, as a downgraded 900 FO at Mesaba I make less than my counterparts at Pinnacle...I was kind of excited about the purchase since I might get a raise

 

[belliott]

Don't be so quick to use XJ as the goal, as a downgraded 900 FO at Mesaba I make less than my counterparts at Pinnacle...I was kind of excited about the purchase since I might get a raise

Thus the XJ+(plus some). I believe XJ is operating under a recessionary/bankruptcy contract and I don't see why they/we should need to continue to operate under said contract. As far as making less than your Pinnacle -900 counterparts I think that is one of downfalls of utilizing a blended pay scale.

 

[mesaba13]

Are you sure you make less than a Pinnacle counterpart? 401K, Min day, per diem, trip gurantee,?

 

[TurboAWD]

One of the biggest problems with the current XJ contract is the blended FO rate. Worked OK with lots of props and few jets, doesn't work well the other way around. I don't think that will be in a JCBA. One of the others is the BS CH11 healthcare.

 

[FightingIrish]

Glad to see this. We are making progress with XJ, PNCL, and Colgan on one list. Then if we get Skywest/ASA/XJET on one list and TransStates/Compass/Gojet can get on one list we will be in much better shape. Glad to see ALPA going after single lists.

 

[Raskal]

My point wasn't to complain about our contract, but to merely point out that all of the contracts have weak points and the goal moving forward should be to address them rather than blindly apply a template.

We really do have an opportunity to at least make some, if not substantial, progress in many areas. So, maybe Skywest plus is a more impressive goal.