It's Official: PSA is getting Jets

[328dude]

Beavis: I give up on your punk a$$. I was trying to explain to you that none of your guys ever contacted us about being hired. I'm posting what I hear to you to keep you informed on whats going on between the MEC's (Im on the MEC).

However, I give up. Things look good for you guys, which I already stated, but I will not blow sunshine up your arse if you can't see things will turn around at PDT and ALG. This has already been confirmed.

Please try to grow up a bit or hang yourself at your earliest convenience.

 

[lear24]

Smoking Man-
We understand you guys didn't vote on your agreement, but what we don't understand is why the responsible person(s?) were not recalled from your MEC or MECC positions. Allowing company men who are willing to sell you and us up the river for their own benefit to stay in power is not a good thing. I would begin a recall post-haste before more wrong is done.

328dude-
I am glad that you are assuring us that we have a future, since the company sure hasn't. I appreciate the information.

I concur that the WO pilots need to continue to work together and not go at each others' throats. We all get good news / bad news sometimes, and management does love to play us against each other this way. We all need to hold fast to the 70 seats and not allow any less than 50% our pilots in any equipment. I think that's what they want to whipsaw next.

 

[328dude]

Lear: I agree with you 100 percent. We must stick togehter on this. J4J is a done deal. All three mec's signed it. The company last week did as you said try to whipsaw the 100 percent issue regarding 70 seaters here at PSA. The three MEC's position on this issue is simply this. We do not want an airplane to be on any wholly owned property if non of the wholly owned pilots ever get a chance to fly them. If they go to a affiliate they are 50/50, why not the same here.
Last week, we told this to them again. However, there is talk about changing some of the language in LOA83 to allow a 50/50 spilt for any 70 seaters at a wholly owned carrier. Without this change in language, they will not be placed here. Simply as that. My opinion, at from what I am getting from group is that they will probably have no choice and a senoir member of USAirways group said qoute" Looks like 50/50 is the way to go" End qoute.

Beavis just dosen't understand or have his facts straight and I'm sick of trying.
The proposed order for both ALG and PDT is much bigger than the annoucement than PSA got today. If my math is correct and this current list of PDT and ALG employee's is acurate, both ALG and PDT will have to hire to staff the next order.

 

[the turtle]

It's amazing. In the course of one week AirWis passes a consessionary TA (which, BTW, they said they would NEVER do, "we'll shut the fu(ker down first" I believe I read).

And PSA, who rolled FIRST for J4J's (not MESA, not Chataqua) gets their jets, the other WO's get boned for now....which is complete and utter bull$hit, I think. ALL you guys deserve them at the same time.

Man, it's great not to be in the bullseye for a change.

 

[dondk]

Just .02 into this..

It is great the WO's will ALL get jet's..
The only immediate hard feeling issue is PSA will be an all-jet fleet first and all current PSA pilots will be in the jet within 20 months or so?

ALG and PDT pilots will have props for who knows how long? Many of the junior FO's at both may not see a jet seat for year(s). They may see Captain in the Dash in a shorter time then planned but not a jet.

Regardless of numbers of jet's ordered 1/2 of the seats go to furloughed Airways, and at last count there is almost 1900 of them. That is an awful lot of seats to fill and for junior guys in a DHC-8 (and NO jet order (yet)) I can feel their pain.

What I think is worse, is that there are people flooding resume's to PSA, how many do you think your going to need to hire? I think you have a pilot group of 250? add another 250 to that (furloughed Airways) you may need another 100-150 more pilots from the street??? to satisfy 60 RJ's (5 crews per plane)

From the ALG and PDT perspective, I can relate to the pain and the disdain that they are going to grow and transistion to jets but nowhere near the rate and ease that PSA will.

Regardless, to the PSA guy's.. start getting a list of CB's to solve the daily problems in the Reset Jet. Works 95% of the time, the other 5% is a deferral...

About time jet's are coming to the WO's.. now just keep PIT open so I can get home!

 

[328dude]

Don't forget about Mid Atlantic. 1900 people are alot, but not all of them are coming to the wholly owned. You got Mid Atlantic, and numorous affiliates.

 

[dondk]

Never knew that.. does this mean SOME furloughee's are going to get Mesa???

 

[sayagain?]

dondk-

For the last few months, there have been USAirways furloughees in training at Mesa and Midway.

sayagain?

 

[DorkProp]

Does anybody honestly think that there are 1900 furloughees slobbering over PSA or any other j4j carrier now that it's been nearly two years since they were furloughed? I predict that there will be no more than a few hundred who take a j4j position.

 

[328dude]

Couldn't have said it better myself DorkProp:

 

[Beavis]

328Dude

You give up on my punk a$$, huh? I'm saying that the J4J deal sux, that the PSA guys were the first to go out and agree to it when the three MEC's originally agreed to hold strong against it, and the PSA guys shouldnt jump up and down with glee when PDT and ALG 'seem' to be left out ----- again! If you cant see that, then I give up on you! You talk about eating crow, when my contention is J4J is a $hitty deal for the WO's, and it seems crappy for you PSA guys to whoop it up when PDT ans ALG have pilots on furlough/downgraded with no turnaround in sight!! All the while PSA announces a doubling or tripling of its fleet and growth and hiring. So, you go ahead and give up on my thick headedness. You are clueless!

 

[Smoking Man]

Beavis

Would you please direct me to posts where PSA pilots jump up and down with glee while ALG and PDT pilots are left out in the cold?



You wrote " Try this scenario.......PSA gets about 10 RJ's over the next year or so, but 30 of the slots to fly them go to furloughees leaving PSA to furlough themselves to make room. You guys have NEVER seemed to grasp this! Look for many more RJ's to be placed at Chat, Mesa and maybe even ACA.

Take another sip of kool-aid." No mention about JFJ just a slam against us.

You even post that you think that our MEC sold us out, now you hack on the individual pilots for being sell outs.
"d328pilot

I dont mean to refer to you as a sellout. I think YOUR management and MEC sold you out"

You even have agreed with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smoking man.....

"First off, smoking is bad for you. You should quit that habit!

Second, I have nothing against ANY pilot at PSA. You guys are all right. If any WO does ok, well, thats a start. It is upsetting that we all didnt stick together, though, and U management used your contract as a way to whipsaw us ---- to your benefit. I know you all think it sucks what is happening to ALG and PDT! At PDT, we agreed to PSA jet rates, MINUS 3% ---- because we wanted to keep our defined benefit package. What more could we do. We also agreed to J4J and signed a concessionary TA for 8% paycuts in the dash for 7 years!!! This wasnt good enough for U! So, here we are. It just sucks that some of your guys attitude is, "well, at least I have a job!" So, we are not all that unified in our objective. Anyway, good luck to all my WO brothers, and all the guys at PSA, PDT and ALG!! As for me, I'm jumping off this ship as of Oct! I'll miss 'Flying the Flag!'"

You have even wished us well.
"Looks like PSA will be the lone survivor, way to go. At least one WO finally got something from U! It still will suck to watch all of us at PDT lose our jobs while PSA moves ahead with MidAtlantic. I just hope all of your junior guys dont get sold out to make room for mainline guys......."

At least 328Dude stays the course, you seem to wander all over the place.

I would like to say that I Wish nothing but good luck to ALG, and PDT. I have a feeling that you shall also get enough RJ's.

 

[Beavis]

PSA boys...

I am jumping off this arguement.

I dont have any problems with any PSA boys, in fact, I have a few very good friends there, and I am glad for a WO finally making inroads against the contracts. However, if you dont see how all of your rumor posts at "look at what PSA is getting, etc.." and the "hooray, look how many jets PSA is getting" would make the PDT and ALG pilots feel.....then forget it! Not to mention 2 are nothing but loosing aircraft, etc. and having pilots are furlough.

So, for the record, I dont think PSA pilots are sellouts. I still think J4J is the $hittiest plan ever shoved down the throats of regional pilots. I'm glad one WO is making out. I think it sucks that one WO is making out while the other two suffer. And I think the PSA guys should remember the plight of the PDT and ALG pilots while they celebrate.

 

[eightdriver]

Beavis....

PSA's contract is as close to Mesa's as you can get. Therefore, PSA's gets the jets. It's pretty simple. US Scares strategy for the future is built around Johnny O's sick and twisted buisness plan. I am sure that PDT and ALG will get a few jets, but it will be such a small amount that J4J will squash any hopes of a future at those two airlines.

 

[328dude]

Beavis: You speak of growth at PSA right? What growth? Were are getting 60 jets. 30 of those will be 100 percent PSA boys and girls. That's only 1 more aircraft then we already have. Were's the growth?. J4J was not implimemented to grow PSA in anyway. It was a way for the pilots already at PSA to be protected. That was the main issue.

Clueless? Bet you didn't realize that did you?
Don't believe me? Go speak to Olaf then.