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Is this the future of Southwest???

waveflyer

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Good point Stop
 

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Stop, the second the company comes and asks for a lower rate for a q400 is the day we ask for a bigger rate on the 800, and then do the level the pay deal across our ranks, no problem as I see it.
 

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E-190 Family, 737 Family, A-320 Family. Southwest could own everything between Hawaii and Barbados. Not to mention being serious competition in the DC area, ATL, NY area, BOS, and all of the state of FL. MDW is already wrapped up but would get quite a few ORD slots. SW would without a doubt own the LCC market. Not to mention they could offer both the typical SW no frill product, and a product with some perks for some of those heavy business routes. Doing all of this while keeping the ticket price very low would make a very tough airline to compete with.
 

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What are the operating costs of each aircraft?
I know you can acquire an e190 for about half a 73 or AB, which is no small thing.

That would put 4 types on the property that all do roughly the same thing- and still no type that crosses oceans well.

It sounds like you want SWA to buy B6, $$$4-0, but are you really prepared for that reality?
What will that integration look like? B6 is even younger than Citrus. Its not realistic to expect an SLI deal that is better than AT got- you cool with about DOH minus 2-4years? How much efficiency will be lost w/ all those fleets?
I'm not saying it won't happen- or wouldn't be smart in the long term if it could get streamlined- but adding B6 at this time could seriously muddy the waters.
 
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Blended singlepay rate:

Assuming a fleet of:
500 or so 700's
200 or so 800's
100 or so 717's
then a possible 200 or so E190's

700/800/717 all make same buck now.

If the company wants lower pay for E190, they need to pony up to the rest of the story like this:

500 or so 700's (base jet) at current rate of $190
200 or so 800's (22% more seats, so 22% more pay) at $231
100 or so 717's at $190
200 or so E190's (11% fewer seats so...) at$169

Then, blend this pay so everyone makes the same wage regardless of A/C:

New rate $194hr (600*190+200*231+ 200*169/10,000)

Our rate would actually go up.
 

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I think that SW will have it's hands full for quite some time integrating AT and replacing the planes that need replacing in the existing fleet. Another aircraft type or combination transaction is a long way off if it ever happens. GK may start talking about growth but it's going to be in the context of; "growth is possible but not under our current labor rates and limited flexibility to manage the company as necessary." If you want growth you will have to pay for it. GK was talking growth, growth, growth when he wanted to sell that AT deal. Since then he's been talking cost, cost, cost. Don't listen to what he says, look at what he does; he bought a bunch of 737's. It's OK to dream big but don't be disappointed if nothing happens for a long time. For the next ten years it's probably going to be replacement aircraft and optimizing the current system for maximum efficiency.
 

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E-190 Family, 737 Family, A-320 Family. Southwest could own everything between Hawaii and Barbados. Not to mention being serious competition in the DC area, ATL, NY area, BOS, and all of the state of FL. MDW is already wrapped up but would get quite a few ORD slots. SW would without a doubt own the LCC market. Not to mention they could offer both the typical SW no frill product, and a product with some perks for some of those heavy business routes. Doing all of this while keeping the ticket price very low would make a very tough airline to compete with.

You need a drug test, you obviously are smoking a lot of weed. You won't own any specific area, you don't now, well except intra Texas. Good for you! You can have it. The legacies are joining up to stomp on you. Your airline now makes 1/4 the revenue DL does, and 1/6 the revenue UAL does. International routes for you? In a 738? Good luck with that. Hawaii? Maybe, but even AK has to fuel stop in OAK occasionaly in the winter due to winds from SEA and PDX, and they sometimes have to leave bags behind. Put the bong down, and try to get excited about your LIT to Hobby flight tomorrow. Atleast you get to do a Corpus and Austin turn afterwards.


Godspeed!



The OYSter
 
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scoreboardII

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There are obviously those who choose to live in the past as that allows them to continue to be bitter.
 

ATLplt

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Actually, I voted against it...with a gun to my head. No matter, you move on with life. We'll all get over it eventually, just not quite yet.
 
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