Is there such thing as "illegal screw your employee group action"?

[jstyle13]

Ya, theres a solution. It's called a STRIKE. The way you guys have been treated I'd say its warranted. Sold to skyw, gave your aircraft orders away, DFW, SLC, LAX, no contract, QOL issuses, short staffing, etc... What else should management do to you guys before you put your foot down?

Not to beat a dead horse but if it were up to the MEC or the pilot group at large to just "go ahead and strike" when we felt like it, we would have. If we could have sought self help without the inept and politically tied NMB, that would have been done 3 years ago and we would coming up on the amendable date for the 05 contract that we cant get/dont have yet.

 

[CoATP]

Does the MEC grieve blatant violations of status quo? If so what's been the result? If not, why not?

 

[TX_DFW]

I'm glad to be gone from ASA sounds like times are changing again

 

[John Pennekamp]

You can grieve the violation of the "status quo" since you are in negotiation. Should be expedited.

Right! It's a crappy process, but it's the only (legal) one airline employees have.

Make sure you call your status reps with your concerns. Chances are they have heard about the bid stuff, but there's a chance they don't know about a lot of the little stuff. They can't be every where all the time. Call your reps and voice your concerns. (I know I said that twice, it bares repeating).

The reps know. The reason ALPA does nothing is because when the MEC raised the issue over a year and a half ago with ALPA National (who has to actually file the motions) ALPA legal refused to take the case, citing is as "unwinnable" and "likely to set bad precedent when we lose".

 

[Oakum_Boy]

What am I paying dues for. I want my money back.

 

[Fred Rogers]

Sounds like ASA mgt has a purpose. The pilot reaction that is coming is maybe what they want. Still do it!

Why? Do they want ASA to fall on its face?

I think this is a very good question. What is the tactic. They just don't do this garbage on a whim. Do they want everyone to quit ASA so they can close the place down and avoid negotiations all together? Then they have a Non-Union airline with more assets and the ability to utilize those assets for higher profit.

 

[601Pilot]

It's not really a question of us "putting our foot down". The current administration's National Mediation Board has not yet seen fit to offer a proffer of arbitration and a subsequent release. We can't just throw our hands up one day and say, "That's it. We've had enough." Or are you unfamiliar with how the RLA works??

Come on, please don't use the "we are scared of the NMB and the RLA police" excuse anymore. Either do something that will help the situation or move on to greener pastures. And no, walking in a circle is not really helping. BL, CT, and SH are laughing everyday!

 

[Fred Rogers]

Come on, please don't use the "we are scared of the NMB and the RLA police" excuse anymore. Either do something that will help the situation or move on to greener pastures. And no, walking in a circle is not really helping. BL, CT, and SH are laughing everyday!

It's not scared, it's smart. You don't fight battles you know you are going to loose. There will be many more options open to pilots all across the country, especially ALPA pilots. With any luck, Jan. 2009 will be the start of much better times.

 

[ASARJMan]

Scotty will be in the crew lounge Fri for a Q&A on Sept's schedules. Let him have it. On another note, don't forget about next week, should really get their attention. Keep refusing those deferred APUs, pisses Scotty off!

 

[John Pennekamp]

I heard completion factor company wide was near 58% this week. The ATRs are near 25%.

 

[John Pennekamp]

HA HA, he meant Ford & Harrison. Wonder what happened to Bill(able) Hiers?

I heard he's running a landscaping company. No joke.

 

[Shaheen]

We all know the term "illegal job action".

Is there such thing as "illegal screw your employee group action"?

For those out of the loop, ASA has done the following in the past few months, all of which are unprecedented:

• Changed lodging management companies to decrease the quality of hotel we stay at and chosen horrible and filthy motels without consulting our ALPA hotel rep, which were only changed once people sent our system chief pilot Scott Hall pictures of cob webs, dirty toilets, etc.
• Changed our schedules from normal airline status quo to all 4-days with 12 days off.
• Is running understaffed, giving them the ability to overwork their employees through consistent junior manning and extensions.
• Has made 35 minute turns standard in Atlanta and 25 minute turns standard in outstations in order to attempt to keep flight crews from eating and taking a leak. All the while telling the flight crews that the delta gate agents think we are purposefully delaying flights by getting off the airplane during turns.

I'm no lawyer, but does it seem right that our company can clearly put us in their cross hairs and continually pull the trigger, yet the employee group can do nothing?

All you folks seem like 'believers' in unions...so why not ask your Union...ALPA that is?

Are Unions good for anything at all?

Don't you want to account for your 2%?

 

[FishandFly]

I'm not an ALPA freak, but without ALPA we would not have the contract or status quo that we currently have. And assuming you work for a carrier without a union, you wouldn't either.

Skywest for instance, could instantly impose any work rules they want on the employees without the employees having a say.

I'd say 2% is worth having a say.

 

[Poahi]

Here's the problem. The younger guys are driven by greed and the older guys are driven by fear. Who do you think negotiates the contracts?

 

[ToiletDuck]

• Has made 35 minute turns standard in Atlanta and 25 minute turns standard in outstations in order to attempt to keep flight crews from eating and taking a leak. All the while telling the flight crews that the delta gate agents think we are purposefully delaying flights by getting off the airplane during turns.

Are you joking? We do 25 min turns all day long.